PB to Lightning

[Goldeneye36]

Your venom is palpable.

I'm certainly no tech head and am by choice and by nature, a late adopter but this is just the next extension of the progression all machinery has made in our lives.

From finding or shaping the right branch to be suitable as a hoe, to the Cotton Gin, to the thermostat that turns on or off the HVAC in your home, to now autonomous, or semi autonomous driving and everything that happened in between, building one advancement upon the other.

I chose not to get Bluecruise, because I didn't like the eye watchers and holding the wheel, is the most comfortable position for me anyway but I do like and use Lane Keeping and Lane Centering, imperfect as they may be. And I'm one of those who has experienced the accident avoidance system in action. Scared the crap out of me at first but when a piece of white siding flipped up behind the white car in front of me, the truck knew the 2 were not the same before I did. Just some portion of a second but it gave me warning to then handle the situation without issue.

I don't consider them nannies in the pejorative but tools, to make my life better.

I'm like you in that I tend to be a late adopter but do appreciate some of the luxuries we enjoy today because of technology. That being said, I like having the option of doing things "old-school" or the "hard way", as that makes me appreciate and understand the systems more. I don't like the idea of the tech having autonomy and doing any more than assisting me or augmenting my own skills.

I still don't trust the driver safety systems though. I've never had a single instance of one legitimately intervening when I wasn't already reacting to something and on our 2 current vehicles with them my truck has only activated twice for false positives when reversing whereas my wife's Subaru kicks in constantly for miniscule things but somehow didn't notice the one time a ladder fell off the truck in front of us and bounced into our lane.

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[Davexxxx]

I'm like you in that I tend to be a late adopter but do appreciate some of the luxuries we enjoy today because of technology. That being said, I like having the option of doing things "old-school" or the "hard way", as that makes me appreciate and understand the systems more. I don't like the idea of the tech having autonomy and doing any more than assisting me or augmenting my own skills.

I still don't trust the driver safety systems though. I've never had a single instance of one legitimately intervening when I wasn't already reacting to something and on our 2 current vehicles with them my truck has only activated twice for false positives when reversing whereas my wife's Subaru kicks in constantly for miniscule things but somehow didn't notice the one time a ladder fell off the truck in front of us and bounced into our lane.

I'm not sure what the differences are between trucks, drivers and locales. There seems to be a wide range, between those who are happy with their trucks and those who aren't and why, whether its different MPG performance, reliability, what have you.

Same with the semi autonomous driving. Other than one really heavily gusty / windy day, my lane centering works very well, including in construction zones. I love the adaptive cruise. Why should I worry about the speed when the truck will do it for me? Is it perfect? No but I can always over ride it, by several different means and in stop and go traffic, while it took a bit to trust it, has never failed. It almost seems to rule out the possibility of rear ending someone. IF you use it.

I've been driving for 51 yrs and never been on the origination side of that sort of accident but if the guy who ran into me had had it, I wouldn't have had to live with a messed up back, for most of my life.

I think I see some on this board, letting the insistence of perfection, be the enemy of the good.

 

[Snakebitten]

@Davexxxx

I think it's a tendency to judge something in absolutes. All good/all bad. All in/All out.

A modern human tendency hammered into us everyday constantly. ???

As for driving assist technology specifically? If someone has experienced Adaptive Cruise Control and states that they prefer non-adaptive cruise control, I doubt they even use cruise control. ?

I'm just saying.

 

[HammaMan]

Imagine being excited to surrender all autonomy to machines because you're lazy and distrust humans.

Your entire life and everything about it is enabled by technological evolution. We're not interacting on slate tablets with carrier pigeons. Are you hitching up the wagon each morning to your trusty steed, or do you own a modern vehicle with climate control? You must be lazy. Do you cut your grass with a scythe or do you use a lawnmower? No doubt we know the answer because you're lazy.

OR you have better things to do than burn time on utilitarian shit that doesn't matter. Spend time w/ friends and fam while also getting a hobby. That way if you're doing needless labor, at least you're enjoying it. Nobody at the end of their life wished they'd burned more time and effort on shit that didn't matter, but you can be the first if you so desire.

 

[Davexxxx]

@Davexxxx

I think it's a tendency to judge something in absolutes. All good/all bad. All in/All out.

A modern human tendency hammered into us everyday constantly. ???

As for driving assist technology specifically? If someone has experienced Adaptive Cruise Control and states that they prefer non-adaptive cruise control, I doubt they even use cruise control. ?

I'm just saying.

I was just kinda running through some of the automotive progressions that I've experienced.

None of them started out at perfection.

Auto trans, power steering, seat belts and airbags, anti lock brakes. Anti theft measures, power windows and locks.

When auto, or electric locking front hubs and FWD shift on the fly first came out, they were terrible. By the time I had both on my 01 F150, they were flawless the whole time I owned that truck.

Whole libraries have been written about emissions reductions and the problems they brought along the way. And they were real problems but I can start my truck in a closed garage and not be gassed out in 5 seconds and haven't had an emissions related problem, in several decades.

My new truck, is more capable, has 170 more hp and gets 55% better fuel mileage than the 01 it replaced, + all the other stuff.

Hell man, I was using paper maps within the last 5 yrs. Now I can push a button on the wheel and tell the lady in the magic box where I want to go, states away. Is she always perfect? Nope. Do I still keep a current Atlas, just in case? Yep. But she is more often right than wrong and I'm a bit jealous of those who'll live long enough to be able to tell her that and she'll actually do all the driving.

It doesn't take the fun out of driving at all. Throw the thing in Sport and let er rip if you want but for the mundane tasks, let the machines do the work.

 

[Larrymoe]

Your entire life and everything about it is enabled by technological evolution. We're not interacting on slate tablets with carrier pigeons. Are you hitching up the wagon each morning to your trusty steed, or do you own a modern vehicle with climate control? You must be lazy. Do you cut your grass with a scythe or do you use a lawnmower? No doubt we know the answer because you're lazy.

OR you have better things to do than burn time on utilitarian shit that doesn't matter. Spend time w/ friends and fam while also getting a hobby. That way if you're doing needless labor, at least you're enjoying it. Nobody at the end of their life wished they'd burned more time and effort on shit that didn't matter, but you can be the first if you so desire.

I couldn't find the eyeroll emojii.

 

[Snakebitten]

You don't need to find it.

We pretty much know if/when you would eyeroll by now. ?

 

[Tigmd99]

This is so far ahead of everyone else.

 

[Rod507]

Soooo…… to the OP, don’t get a full electric over a partial electric? ???

 

[HammaMan]

This is so far ahead of everyone else.

The cars also drive themselves out of the factory to stage for shipping.

 

[Jerome10]

I’d consider a Lightning if the price was acceptable to me.

I like the way electric cars drive. Quiet and smooth. I find the idea of just plugging in at home appealing even though I don’t spend much time at gas stations. Tesla FSD seems like a cool idea but I already generally distrust my radar cruise!

There may be some political stuff with electrics and them not being so environmentally friendly when considering the materials needed, their mining, energy to mine and make batteries, waste disposal, etc. I don’t like that they’re attempting to force them on the markets either. Let them compete for consumer dollars. But as far as just how they behave and drive… I like them, politics aside, and my personal feeling that I don’t think they’re truly environmentally friendly… they just drive nicely.

I don’t know if the charging times when traveling would bother me or not.

Depending on how life goes I could easily see myself possibly trying an electric lease in the future. Lightning or Model Y or whatever.

If I towed regularly I would NOT consider it, however.

 

[Larrymoe]

You don't need to find it.

We pretty much know if/when you would eyeroll by now. ?

I just enjoy when he tells me how I live.

He once told me there's no way I could put up with the trucks of 20 years ago and be happy. My last truck was 20 years old and I only got rid of it because it was at the end of it's life. If it was a RCSB, I would have probably put a new transmission in and kept on rolling. But please, tell me about me.

 

[HammaMan]

I just enjoy when he tells me how I live.

He once told me there's no way I could put up with the trucks of 20 years ago and be happy. My last truck was 20 years old and I only got rid of it because it was at the end of it's life. If it was a RCSB, I would have probably put a new transmission in and kept on rolling. But please, tell me about me.

IIRC it was about your rose colored glasses. You seem to fawn over the distant past, but not too distant, because that'd be a wee bit too far. I'm a realist, the sweet spot for technology has but one answer, tomorrows. I know, some people would rather spend an afternoon tracing vacuum lines running into the HVAC system or behind the motor diagnosing an errant idle due to a vac leak, common of 20yr old vehicles. How about centralized coil packs that still used wires?

Once 24M's tech (and similar) is adopted for mainstream manufacturing, a tech that yields ~670wh/kg energy density with no temp degradation at -40, combustion powered passenger vehicles are done. That pretty much triples what EVs do today with the same size battery. GM's trucks would have ~1,500 miles on a charge adapting this tech in their current form. Tripling of energy density w/ no temp degradation has tremendous knockon effects.

 

[Samson16]

I just enjoy when he tells me how I live.

He once told me there's no way I could put up with the trucks of 20 years ago and be happy. My last truck was 20 years old and I only got rid of it because it was at the end of it's life. If it was a RCSB, I would have probably put a new transmission in and kept on rolling. But please, tell me about me.

I think he was attempting to make a broader defense of technological advances that free us up from repetitive mundane tasks like Jarvis freeing up Tony Stark to create and dream.

edit: never mind he answered for himself before I posted ?

 

[dochawk]

You may also want to watch the 3 dozen or so videos of owners actually peeling off paneling with their hands

Somehow, I doubt that I, or even my grandchildren, will live long enough to understand why, upon hearing that it is possible, some people go out and break off pieces of their own hundred thousand dollar vehicles . . .

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Or, you know, its' lack of functionality as a truck.

Well, yeah, if you can't look at it without pain, it's hard to find the bed so that you can load it . . .

I still don't trust the driver safety systems though. I've never had a single instance of one legitimately intervening when I wasn't already reacting to something a

Once, in the three months that we've had my wife's Maverick, they engaged.

Someone jumped out of a driveway into traffic. I saw it, and was braking, but my foot was still in motion when it applied the brakes itself. It has at least half a second advantage in reaction time. Not simply in recognition, but in the neurology of making decision, firing nerves, and foot moving.

The cars also drive themselves out of the factory to stage for shipping.

what I truly don't get is why people have to wait in line at their charging stations. It should be drop it off at entrance, the lot takes over, and the Tesla comes to pick you up at the picnic table, restaurant, or whatever when it's done.

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