PB to Lightning

[ttnuagmada]

I would make sure your servicing dealer is competent to work on the Lightning. Just because a dealer is certified doesent mean that they are good. Also, if you travel out in rural areas and have a issue you might be S.O.L. and if for a headache getting your issue resolved. An example would be if your in the midwest on a trip and have a issue, good luck! Years ago people ran into the same issue with the Mercedes Sprinter when it first came out.. Not many dealers in the rural midwest town servicce departments would touch them. Just food for thought, YMMV<

My servicing dealer isn't even competent to work on a regular F150.

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[Larrymoe]

This sounds more like they were missing a grounding cable or chain than something to do with software or EH controls unless I'm missing something.

Nah, regular tractors and combines start all sort of fires around here when it's real dry. They get hot and they catch stalks and such on fire on the ground.

Difference between these drive by themselves machines and normal ones is if you're driving the machine, you usually notice something is up and drive out of it or stop or put it out. Withe self driving ones, they don't have the slightest idea what's going on and they just keep on plugging.

 

[Samson16]

main use would be driving around town/commute. Not worried about charging, my work already has 6 chargers. I would use the bed occasionally to move stuff here and there...

If your commute involves driving between 80 and 105mph in sport mode while listening to Earth, Wind, and Fire or KC and the Sunshine Band, then the PowerBoost is a great choice. The Lightning might not feel as organic unless you can really dial in the regen till it flows properly ?

 

[Snakebitten]

If your commute involves driving between 80 and 105mph in sport mode while listening to Earth, Wind, and Fire or KC and the Sunshine Band, then the PowerBoost is a great choice. The Lightning might not feel as organic unless you can really dial in the regen till it flows properly ?

Considering my favorite driving state in my Powerboost is when it's in that magical EV mode, combined with the shear wickedness of driving the Mach-E, I suspect that the one thing I wouldn't dispute is that the Lightning is funner to drive than my Powerboost. And that's saying something!

 

[Samson16]

Considering my favorite driving state in my Powerboost is when it's in that magical EV mode, combined with the shear wickedness of driving the Mach-E, I suspect that the one thing I wouldn't dispute is that the Lightning is funner to drive than my Powerboost. And that's saying something!

But is it smooth and effortless? Or is it choppy and head snapping like it’s always one gear two low and over doing it?

 

[JumboJVT]

I think you're missing the bigger picture. It will have the knowledge of just about every vehicle that's traversed a given stretch of road up until the point you passed. It will know about variables in the road that have changed since the last time you passed. This is stuff we can do today, BUT, the limiting factor right now is having to rely on humans for the fidelity, and as a result the bad actors who, for no other reason than to do it, can poison the data. Current traffic mapping relies on 'heard' activities (and its better data than the govt has access to). If you pull over on the highway it can indicate that to other drivers, they just don't because it'd 'spookily' reveal just how much granular data exists.

Phones already record every step you take, even your elevation data. It knows where you are in your house. "Smart' buildings monitor granular data to predict equipment failures by analyzing current draw on motors. They find patterns humans don't know to look for. Take for instance this story from 13+ years ago https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmi...teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/ . Ignorance may be bliss, but it doesn't change the state of things. Ai can follow 'anonymous' users across the internet simply analyzing one's grammar patterns.

There's ai powered 'tag readers' (used loosely) popping up everywhere that look at and characterize vehicles (color, make, model). I'm out in the country and I see them at every bottleneck. No doubt that locations are chosen by ai analytics of maps. Even traffic lights are controlling traffic by watching cars. Its cheaper than magnetic loops and isn't bothered by road construction. A lot of this is kept quiet because there's always privacy backlash from the population because of high (and likely) abuse potential.

Actually, I think you miss the point: AI will never improve my DRIVING experience. Simply because its driving, I'm not. It may improve the tansportation experience for some - many of whom I'd argue should get on the damned bus - but if you ain't driving, you ain't experiencing driving.

The Terminator world you speak should be killed now, in its infancy, because the sentience you predict, that which will be necessary to function safely in a non-static environment, will be the end of us. Humans are as often as not incapable of making rational decisions. The only rational, logical answer to that is make the decisions for them. And if they are the problem, eliminate them.

Happily, I won't be here to see it. But until I'm gone, I'll do my best to maintain control of my existence and not abdicate the decision making to the machines...even if I'm wrong, which I usually am

 

[Larrymoe]

Actually, I think you miss the point: AI will never improve my DRIVING experience. Simply because its driving, I'm not. It may improve the tansportation experience for some - many of whom I'd argue should get on the damned bus - but if you ain't driving, you ain't experiencing driving.

The Terminator world you speak should be killed now, in its infancy, because the sentience you predict, that which will be necessary to function safely in a non-static environment, will be the end of us. Humans are as often as not incapable of making rational decisions. The only rational, logical answer to that is make the decisions for them. And if they are the problem, eliminate them.

Happily, I won't be here to see it. But until I'm gone, I'll do my best to maintain control of my existence and not abdicate the decision making to the machines...even if I'm wrong, which I usually am

You'll get flamed for it, but I agree 100%

Got in a tiff with my wife when she told me she uses AI to make lesson plans and create activities. I told her to stop teaching AI to do her job. She thinks I'm ridiculous, but she usually does. And then, we eventually play a game called "I'm right".

 

[HammaMan]

You'll get flamed for it, but I agree 100%

Got in a tiff with my wife when she told me she uses AI to make lesson plans and create activities. I told her to stop teaching AI to do her job. She thinks I'm ridiculous, but she usually does. And then, we eventually play a game called "I'm right".

Imagine being taught as fast as you can learn with lessons tailored to your strengths.

 

[GDN]

If around town driving, I would go with the lightning and charge nightly. I have heard from a dealer that if you are running the sterio, lights, wipers, and ac range can drop to 100 miles or less...

The dealers don't have a clue what the Lightning can do. The dealer - of most ANY make and model are typically the least knowledgable of them. They are 1000% driven by which one brings the most money to their bottom line and that is what you are going to get sold.

 

[GDN]

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But this derailing to talk about Tesla is pointless. ...

It's really not. It just shows how much Tesla / Musk lives rent free in the heads of many, and truly how good they are and the threat that most feel from them.

One thing this thread hasn't ventured on is simply how Tesla is decimating the old build processes of all the legacy makers. Farley just scrapped what Ford had working for it to maybe propel them toward the front. He scrapped their next gen electronics architecture team. The 50 to 60 compute modules and trying to make them work together and update is a nightmare to Ford. The extreme simplicity that Tesla has created by using 3 central computers and all of the code running there, with everything else pretty much being a simple switch or a responder motor is incredibly brilliant and will continue to leave legacy behind.

 

[Snakebitten]

The dealers don't have a clue what the Lightning can do. The dealer - of most ANY make and model are typically the least knowledgable of them. They 1000% driven by which one brings the most money to their bottom line and that is what you are going to get sold.

I have personally experienced a stark contrast in how different Ford models are presented to the customer between 3 different Ford dealerships. One would treat the Lightning/Mach-E as legitimate products that belonged in the product line. Another would roll their eyes if you revealed that you were one of those customers.
And as modestly as I can possibly be, it was obvious that I as a customer (or parent of the customer) knew more about the product line and even had more passion for the virtues of each product, than those that officially represented them.

It's not just a Ford issue though. It's the current culture of the industry. Only a small percentage of folks "in the business" are even car/truck people. Like many businesses, car dealerships are more and more just brick and mortar for venture capitalist to facilitate financial transactions.

So different from when I was a young newlywed nearly a 1/2 century ago, and I could ask my uncle anything about a GMC truck or a Pontiac Firebird on the lot, and he would answer every question. He worked for the dealership for 40+ years. He knew his product and he qualified his customers like a professional.

 

[Snakebitten]

The dealers don't have a clue what the Lightning can do. The dealer - of most ANY make and model are typically the least knowledgable of them. They 1000% driven by which one brings the most money to their bottom line and that is what you are going to get sold.

(edit. : not sure of why the double post?)

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[nomarhits400]

You'll get flamed for it, but I agree 100%

Got in a tiff with my wife when she told me she uses AI to make lesson plans and create activities. I told her to stop teaching AI to do her job. She thinks I'm ridiculous, but she usually does. And then, we eventually play a game called "I'm right".

None of us are surprised to hear that’s your favorite game….

 

[Larrymoe]

Imagine being taught as fast as you can learn with lessons tailored to your strengths.

Imagine being excited to surrender all autonomy to machines because you're lazy and distrust humans.

 

[Davexxxx]

Imagine being excited to surrender all autonomy to machines because you're lazy and distrust humans.

Your venom is palpable.

I'm certainly no tech head and am by choice and by nature, a late adopter but this is just the next extension of the progression all machinery has made in our lives.

From finding or shaping the right branch to be suitable as a hoe, to the Cotton Gin, to the thermostat that turns on or off the HVAC in your home, to now autonomous, or semi autonomous driving and everything that happened in between, building one advancement upon the other.

I chose not to get Bluecruise, because I didn't like the eye watchers and holding the wheel, is the most comfortable position for me anyway but I do like and use Lane Keeping and Lane Centering, imperfect as they may be. And I'm one of those who has experienced the accident avoidance system in action. Scared the crap out of me at first but when a piece of white siding flipped up behind the white car in front of me, the truck knew the 2 were not the same before I did. Just some portion of a second but it gave me warning to then handle the situation without issue.

I don't consider them nannies in the pejorative but tools, to make my life better.

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