Another 10R80 RECALL

[EL5_Zero]

Very interesting video on the operating issues with the 10R80. Have any of you guys upgraded your 10R80 using "Nates" valvebody?

https://nextgendiesel.com/collectio...valve-body-upgrade-kit?variant=44536765677741

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[NVRANUF]

The video is long, but compelling because he's so emphatic and knowledgeable. If I'm being honest though, it's kind of a "scare bait" style video because it basically says all these 10-speed transmissions are going to fail at some point because of horrible machining, and insufficient pressure. His logic and the price-point of the "fix" strikes a pretty good sweet spot especially when combined with the scare of "it's not if, but when, my transmission fails". BUT... What about the million+ of these transmissions (across all manufacturers) that are operating just fine? And for those of us still under warranty, why would you risk voiding it with these aftermarket parts? My final thought... If you aren't under warranty... is it worth $800 for the peace of mind.... yes, probably.

 

[Bunker]

It is an interesting discussion. He can sure rub people the wrong way I bet, even though he’s probably correct about everything he talks about out.

I’m positive I’m one of the unmeasured failures. My transmission constantly has issues and the half dozen time the dealer has looked at it they’ve said they can’t recreate it and there is plenty of warranty left.

I’m still deciding what the plan is with the truck. If it looks like a keeper, I might go ahead and start replacing parts. The warranty has proven to be fairly worthless. If the warranty means replacing inferior parts with inferior parts, I guess I’m not sure why I’d bother.

 

[EL5_Zero]

It is an interesting discussion. He can sure rub people the wrong way I bet, even though he’s probably correct about everything he talks about out.

I’m positive I’m one of the unmeasured failures. My transmission constantly has issues and the half dozen time the dealer has looked at it they’ve said they can’t recreate it and there is plenty of warranty left.

I’m still deciding what the plan is with the truck. If it looks like a keeper, I might go ahead and start replacing parts. The warranty has proven to be fairly worthless. If the warranty means replacing inferior parts with inferior parts, I guess I’m not sure why I’d bother.

I purchase my truck last July 2024, and so far, I have about 19K miles. 95% of those miles are highway miles, with lots of stop and go LA traffic. I do notice once in a while it will flare up shifting into 5th gear. It is very inconsistent, but it definitely does it. I'm not sure if it's due to the constant learning parameters, or if it's early signs of a faulty solenoid as shown in the video. I will be taking preventative measures and be upgrading the valve body with the kit shown in the link when I do a transmission flush at 30K miles.

 

[sporkfed]

I've watched the full video, and I think one thing he ignores is the possibility that Ford is not designing the parts to be light so that they will fail, but rather for less mass in the driveline, which gives higher mpgs and faster acceleration.

The goal of transmission design is not to design the heaviest, most durable gearbox possible, but rather the lightest for a given strength requirement. Maybe Ford and GM went a bit too light on this one, but I don't think they want their transmissions failing until 200k mi or so.

 

[JumboJVT]

I've watched the full video, and I think one thing he ignores is the possibility that Ford is not designing the parts to be light so that they will fail, but rather for less mass in the driveline, which gives higher mpgs and faster acceleration.

The goal of transmission design is not to design the heaviest, most durable gearbox possible, but rather the lightest for a given strength requirement. Maybe Ford and GM went a bit too light on this one, but I don't think they want their transmissions failing until 200k mi or so.

But as I understand it, the poblem isn't rotating parts, but static parts: valve bodies, solenoids, etc.. Rotating mass will have deliterious impacts on fuel economy, static mass, within reason, has little. Static parts that add the weight of a 12-pack to a transmission but make it work reliably would be my preferrence.

 

[Squirrel]

If I ever do this, I will also change out the pan to a metal one with a drain plug. So far my transmission is still too new to really notice an issue.

 

[Mosey]

… He can sure rub people the wrong way I bet, even though he’s probably correct about everything he talks about out….

Yeah.

 

[FirstNewFord]

Isn't this the same transmission used by GM? The only difference between Ford's version and GM's version is the software correct? I haven't seen many recalls for GM trucks and cars with this tranny. Maybe it's the software and not mechanical? Either way, I'm not going to void my warranty either.
My F-150 is brand new. I bought the 100K warrantee for some long term peace of mind but if it becomes an issue, I'll just get rid of the truck and go back to Ram.

 

[Mosey]

You are correct in that Ford and GM developed the transmission in partnership, but that is all I really know. Each company manufactures their own components which accounts for differences - materials, tolerances, etc..

Each company has probably tweaked parts to address unique issues. Take the CDF drum in the 10R80 for instance. Up until 2023 there was an issue with a press-in bushing moving. Ford solved this by changing the design which would not allow the bushing to move. Did GM do the same, IDK.

”In my opinion.”

 

[SilverPigeon]

For shifting issues I would strongly advise that before doing anything else, clear the adaptive learning tables and drive in sport mode for a week. If it still plays up, then go nuts ?

 

[missileboy]

Have any of you ever pulled the pan off and looked in your 10R80? Do you know how much plastic parts are used in it including the pump? I too have watched this video and 2 others they have done. I will not go out and change my Valve body UNLESS it fails, and then I would definitely go with his over an OEM replacement. Its not as much about the design as it is the crap, cheap materials used by the OEMs. Plastic will eventually age and from the heat cycles, will start to crack, break or suffer other failures in the clutches etc.

If you talk to the guys who rebuild these trans, they will tell you, cheap materials used in the valve bodies is part of the problem. I have just under 20K miles now on my 24 and it was serviced at 4K miles when the deep sump trans pan was added with the Whipple upgrade. Truck has a Whipple, trans tune, so mine is not stock. Has run great but if it starts to get weird in the future, this is a easy job to swap out the valve body, do a service and press on.

 

[Porpoise Hork]

Be interesting to see if this kit works in the PB version as well.

 

[Azstroke]

ESP is your friend.

 

[Snakebitten]

No surprise that the aftermarket specialist can look for low hanging fruit and then offer superior components relative to the mass production oem.

Or put another way, it's not going to be hard to convince me that their valve body is superior. But then so would an oem valve body if it was hand assembled with intense scrutiny to tolerances and quality control.

I've now had 3 personal 10r80 equipped trucks for a combined 8+ years. And the family fleet has had a couple more. Statistically, we have probably been fortunate because there hasn't ever even been a warranty repair necessary. And all but 1 of them are still under 5/60 or ESP warranty.

If I were to ever require a repair or rebuild on my own dime, I absolutely would pony up for superior components. Although I'm not exactly sure which, at this point.

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