Ram Hurricane HO

[wessermgm]

To me, the most interesting thing about the Ram 2025 refresh is the 3.0 Twin Turbo Hurricane engines. Stellantis is obviously taking aim at the Ecoboost lineup with this move, albeit risky to drop V-8s altogether when GM and Ford still offer V-8 options. I am intrigued by the fact that Ram is making their High Output Hurricane standard on Limited, Longhorn and Tungsten trims (presumably will also add it on the RHO option when it debuts late this year). I view the HO Hurricane as the direct competition to the 3.5L High Output Ecoboost, which is only available in Ford's lineup on the Raptor.

The Hurricane HO supposedly delivers 540 horsepower and 521 lb. -ft. The 3.5L HO Ecoboost in the Raptor by comparison delivers 450 hp and 510 lb-ft of torque and is only available on Raptor. (FYI the standard Hurricane on their Bighorn, Laramie and Rebel trims delivers 420 horsepower and 469 lb. -ft. of torque, which is more in between a standard EB and a PB in terms of power).

Provided Ram actually delivers this level of performance, Ram has created a hole for Ford. Ram is offering that level of engine on the equivalent trims to Platinum and King Ranch.

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[JExpedition07]

That Hurricane is a TANK. Closed deck, more head bolts, forged crank and rods. Inline-6 so more main bearings to take stressors. The EcoBoost would need an overhaul to compete with that output with warranty in current form, the Hurricane sees 26 PSI in stock form. Those boost levels start warping heads on the 3.5 EB. Ask yourself this though, do you really want 540 HP? I’d take the 3.5 EcoBoost that has a decade of development and refining. It also certainly doesn’t make me want to get rid of my 5.0L V8 either, Ford has great evolutionary platforms going.

My 2023 5.0L spins the rear wheels from a roll if I stomp the gas pedal to the floor and make it downshift, it all ready struggles to put the 400 HP down with the light rear. 540 HP would be tough to hook up. I suppose if you have 4A maybe that rectifies that issue though.

 

[Babbage]

That Hurricane is a TANK. Closed deck, more head bolts, forged crank and rods. Inline-6 so more main bearings to take stressors. I’d take the 3.5 EcoBoost that has a decade of development and refining.

Agree 3.5 ecoboost has 10 years development. Forged crank and rods are HEAVY and will hurt dodge mileage. Can't wait to see the real world MPG numbers.

So all the major manufacturers are copying Ford! (again)

 

[Snakebitten]

Awesome on paper. Can't deny that.

But Toyota flagrantly entered the "Ecoboost" genre and is experiencing the uhoh's of a new platform. And in my opinion Toyota is far less reckless (conservative) about such things than most.

As for the potential output of the 3.5 Ecoboost? I personally think Ford holds back plenty. And I don't blame them either. They can increase output, right along with Payload, if/when they feel it to be in their best interest.

I remember back in 2011 when Ford had the GAUL to put a Twin Turbo V6 under the hood of their currency printing machine, the F150. WTH are they thinking, was my reaction too!

Well. It appears to have paid off.

 

[JExpedition07]

I just don’t get the end game with the 3.0 Hurricane. The Nox emissions and CO2 per mile is more than my 5.0L V8, so it isn’t buying Stellantis any time on emissions. Well, maybe that’s incorrect, I suppose vs the 5.7 Hemi it likely did buy some time. But like @Babbage said, All heavy components and a heavy block are well….heavy. More mass to turn, more emissions. Ford is making an N/A V-8 that displaces 2 liters more producing less pollution. If you look beyond the wowza headlines the Hurricane sort of makes me scratch my head at this stage of the game.

You’re telling me a REAL series hybrid Hemi wouldn’t have cut emissions more than this Hurricane Medium Global Platform? I don’t buy it. Perhaps the goals here was more about harmonizing their global offering. If they really wanted to save the Hemi….they could have.

 

[Samson16]

Ask yourself this though, do you really want 540 HP?

Nope. Just 519hp/662tq for $779.99 please!

 

[JExpedition07]

Nope. Just 519hp/662tq for $779.99 please!

With full factory warranty, totally different world. I was more arguing I don’t need it that do though lol.

 

[HammaMan]

Hurricane will be plagued with issues. It has a long way to go before it competes with multi-generational motors in terms of reliability. It's appeal on paper is the same thing that's going to hurt it. A whole lot of power will see untold numbers of failures throughout its first 3 years with more oopsies showing up as more motors reach the 100k miles mark. Furthermore none of dodge's attempts to showcase the 3.0 has gone well. Furthermore an inline 6 isn't an efficient package as a whole due to having a longer short block. I feel for the gen 1 buyers, especially with the HO, but the motor as a whole. They just don't have the experience to produce a lasting motor of these specs.

Ford's current issues stem from hiring quotas and lack of "old white guys" to quote that titan sub guy now resting next to the titanic.

 

[HammaMan]

With full factory warranty, totally different world. I was more arguing I don’t need it that do though lol.

There isn't an issue with the pump gas performance tunes. The trans are the weak points here.

Kias came with 10yr warranties initially, but for people whose vehicle was in the shop almost as long as it was in their hands didn't buy them much utility. Better to not have an issue than a warranty that doesn't provide one with a vehicle.

 

[Pedaldude]

Isn’t the company formerly known as Chrysler paying big bucks in penalties every year for failing to game the CAFE standards like Ford and Toyota have been?

The big problem with increasing miles per gallon is that it’s not worth it for them to make a difference for real world usage and only for the very well defined and unrealistic EPA drive cycle. So now it’s got better MPG on paper but when you put Tom, Dick and Harriet behind the wheel that number is rarely seen.

The most unfortunate trend is the increasingly poor long term reliability and serviceability from all these innovations. Honda has dropped the ball big time going with forced induction and I’m not super confident that Ram will succeed where Honda failed; though, I hope I’m wrong. Though really, who gives a shit about saving a few MPG when you pay the difference and more when you’re adding up total cost of ownership. Some of these new economy cars are especially screwing people over when it comes to that. Basically everyone that I’ve ever known that owned a Volkswagon!

Ford's current issues stem from hiring quotas and lack of "old white guys" to quote that titan sub guy now resting next to the titanic.

I think that they raked up most of that “submersible” shaped object but many of the same problems are being enjoyed by current and future vehicle owners being used as guinea pigs rather than proper QC and R&D. Not to mention that to satisfy both consumer and regulatory demand that engineers are following the Colin Chapman of Lotus’ axiom of ‘it’s easy to make a bridge stand; difficult to make it just stand,’ with similar results!

I’d gladly trade some weight savings, MPG and HP for added reliability but that’s not a choice anymore. We’re all driving vehicles with essentially race car engines running lean and lightweight bodies with crazy wide tires compared to even a couple decades ago. I used to get pulled over in my old Porsche going 56MPH in a 55 on a road that’s in worse condition now thirty years later but with a 65MPH speed limit and soccer moms going 80MPH in 300HP minivans. I stopped riding my motorcycle ten years ago because it was just getting ridiculous and I have very little faith in anyone else on the road. As bad as drunk driving is; I feel texting and driving is worse and already we have a guy pulled over in his Tesla with a screen strapped to his face.

But yeah; Ram is going to screw this up probably and then who knows. I wonder if they’re going to keep all the V8 tooling just in case.

 

[nrmedic]

So twin turbo a 300-6 in the next Gen...?

 

[wessermgm]

I remember back in 2011 when Ford had the GAUL to put a Twin Turbo V6 under the hood of their currency printing machine, the F150. WTH are they thinking, was my reaction too!

Well. It appears to have paid off.

Difference then is that Ford still had V-8 options to fall back on. I am surprised that Ram didn't overlap the Hemi's lifespan with Hurricane for a couple of MY. They really are sliding their chips to the center of the table on this one.

 

[Snakebitten]

Toyota Tundra did the same.
Basically one motor choice period.
Or is that not true?

 

[wessermgm]

Toyota Tundra did the same.
Basically one motor choice period.
Or is that not true?

I think you are right, but why do I think that Toyota ran their traps better than Ram?

 

[Snakebitten]

I think you are right, but why do I think that Toyota ran their traps better than Ram?

Toyota certainly has the engineering prowess. But man did they get off to a rocky start right out of the gate? (nonfunctional wastegates)

And then the low mileage catastrophic engine failures. (main bearings)

And Toyota doesn't produce but a fraction the number of 1/2 ton trucks Ram does. Like 25%?

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