I'm done with Ford

[BMCGC]

For the lemon law, it depends on the state. In Maryland the limit is 2 years/18k miles. This truck would not qualify. For some states it was to be the original purchaser, as new.

If the Lemon Law does not apply in your state, the 5/60 powertrain warranty does apply. Ford has been successfully sued for not honoring the manufacturer's warranty.

If you are ready to throw in the towel and move on, good luck to you.

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[23PB&Me]

Sorry you’re having this issue, it sounds like your experience with this truck has been exceptionally frustrating. I’ve had a couple of issues with my truck but was able to work through them and I still smile when I walk up to it gleaming in the sun or covered in snow after a long day at the mountain. Definitely smile when I mash the gas pedal. Hope your next truck treats you better!

I’m kinda waiting for my system to eat it so I have an excuse for the wife as to why I needed to upgrade the system ? b&O 8 speaker is meh imo. Does a good job for what it is, I mean the bass it makes with those teeny tiny wires! But ultimately just waiting on an excuse or the lottery to rip all of that out and put a new system in. Just glad I didn’t go for the unleashed.

 

[Scotty M.]

Every manufacturer is having these problems and it’s hard to find one where they aren’t. Pretty much the only way around it is by buying either 20-30 year old trucks and completely refurbishing them, or only buying the base models of new cars/trucks.

The point of diminishing returns on technology pretty much started after 2006 and it’s been getting worse as EPA milestones continue to become more stringent and integrated infotainment systems become more and more foisted on us by marketing. The only way to make manufacturers build the trucks that are more reliable is to stop buying all the ridiculous overpriced stuff that they are pushing.

If buyers stopped buying the higher trims they would be forced into making more of the cheaper simpler models that they have been rationing out that only exist to bait and switch buyers. Look at what happened with the base Bronco and Mavericks.

There is merit to your comments, regarding the decline of quality manufacturing.

However, the greatest contributor to quality (or the lack thereof) is the human element.

Years ago, we raised people to take pride in their work, and to view the quality of their work as an extension of their personal skills.

If you took a job, no matter what rate of remuneration, you performed to the best of your abilities.

If you felt underpaid, you looked for a better job - while still performing at the highest standard at your current job.

No one has this mindset anymore. The view now is one of “I’m not getting paid enough to do a good job” or “’this isn’t mine, so I don’t care about the quality”.

A fundamental change to the lack of quality in mass produced items, will only come from a change in the mindset of the labor force itself.

 

[INADAZE]

I too have a ‘21 F150 that I have had multiple problems with. it turned out that getting them resolved was mostly a DEALERSHIP problem. I finally found a different dealership in my area that not only fixed all the remaining issues but also treated me with respect and appreciation. I am now, again, a happy Ford owner.

This is exactly what I was about to post. Based on my new and limited knowledge of Ford and posts on this forum. A lot of "issues" are exacerbated by the dealership.

One suggestion would be to try a different dealership.

 

[24STX5.0]

You bought a used 21 F150 and all you have is a stereo issue? No burning oil, no trans issues or anything else? Dude, you are lucky!

FORD definitely is having QA issues
Dodge is the same and the new "Hurricane" engine is a gamble for now
Chevy has been having QA issues for years now on the trucks/
Toyota? Engines are having issues and premature rust

Pick a manufacturer and you'll have a possibility of issues-I'll take a crappy stereo issue any day over power train or other more serious issues. Understand your frustration, but take a moment, calm down and decide, where do I go now?

People love bells and whistles. The one truck out there that had none (V-8, no cylinder deactivation, no wet belt, etc) was the Nissan Titan, and it has been discontinued after MY24 because it sells about as well as the Pontiac Aztek did.

 

[fmdog44]

I bought a Nissan truck about 9 nine years ago and it with the 5 year warranty performed without a single issue. I traded if in for a 5.0 Mustang simply because I wanted a fast convertible. I would have stuck with Nissan if they would have built a single cab sport truck. My 2021 F150 XL has had only two problems one being the compass that many owners experienced and the tranny temp gauge not working. Reading posts here is why I ordered it with the minimum number of bells & whistles. The more gadgets you have the more you will have problems with especially as the truck gets old..

 

[Kshort62]

I feel some of your pain. My ‘22 Limited PB has a laundry list of issues that we are still trying to work through. My service dept has been pretty decent but according to them is getting little to no support from Ford Motor Company.. when I get it scheduled for its next visit to the Service Department, my salesman and I having a conversation about finding a replacement.

 

[sodbuster88]

+1 for another ‘21 lariat with all those very same issues. My 8-speaker B&O same issue. Been to dealer multiple times. Another appointment this week. Also BLIS and CTA issues from the beginning that no one can figure out. Front differential completely shucked … it was shipped from factory with no oil in it. Multiple other recalls and warranty issues….too long a list summarize as it would just depress me.

I completely agree the right dealer should make a big difference, but I haven’t found that one yet. Anyone in Raleigh area got a good dealer suggestion?

Love my truck, hate my truck! I don’t see a more affordable option out there than to just keep fixing it.

 

[sodbuster88]

Edit: thankfully, I bought the for factory extended warranty but now I’m afraid it will run out (10 yrs, 100,000 mile) before I get everything fixed. That would be extremely irritating!

 

[PowerBoostSoCal]

What is the problem? The stereo? Suggest hitting a good stereo shop in town and have them diagnose the problem. Save the receipt and see of the local dealer will credit you back for them doing the repair. Also, try another dealer ... I have switched from what I thought was a good one to one that is truly excellent! As others have commented, this is a real crap shoot time now - covid, new employees, not enough employees, new tech that is not fully vetted yet, etc., etc. I hear about constant issues with all GM products now - Blazers to Silverados to Caddys, etc. Plus the Toyota debacle and now RAM with a LOT of issues on their new hurricane engine. Good luck.

 

[starcommtrey1]

There is merit to your comments, regarding the decline of quality manufacturing.

However, the greatest contributor to quality (or the lack thereof) is the human element.

Years ago, we raised people to take pride in their work, and to view the quality of their work as an extension of their personal skills.

If you took a job, no matter what rate of remuneration, you performed to the best of your abilities.

If you felt underpaid, you looked for a better job - while still performing at the highest standard at your current job.

No one has this mindset anymore. The view now is one of “I’m not getting paid enough to do a good job” or “’this isn’t mine, so I don’t care about the quality”.

A fundamental change to the lack of quality in mass produced items, will only come from a change in the mindset of the labor force itself.

The only issue here are our trucks are made in the US where the UAW workers are vastly OVER paid and still dont care.

 

[CoolCoyote]

There is merit to your comments, regarding the decline of quality manufacturing.

However, the greatest contributor to quality (or the lack thereof) is the human element.

Years ago, we raised people to take pride in their work, and to view the quality of their work as an extension of their personal skills.

If you took a job, no matter what rate of remuneration, you performed to the best of your abilities.

If you felt underpaid, you looked for a better job - while still performing at the highest standard at your current job.

No one has this mindset anymore. The view now is one of “I’m not getting paid enough to do a good job” or “’this isn’t mine, so I don’t care about the quality”.

A fundamental change to the lack of quality in mass produced items, will only come from a change in the mindset of the labor force itself.

You hit the nail on the head with this. I work in automotive quality control and from what I see, the single biggest issue plaguing this industry is lack of work ethic, at even the most basic level. Nobody takes pride in anything.

 

[CoolCoyote]

The only issue here are our trucks are made in the US where the UAW workers are vastly OVER paid and still dont care.

It seems as though they care even less now than they did before they got their massive wage hike.

 

[sodbuster88]

What is the problem? The stereo? Suggest hitting a good stereo shop in town and have them diagnose the problem. Save the receipt and see of the local dealer will credit you back for them doing the repair. Also, try another dealer ... I have switched from what I thought was a good one to one that is truly excellent! As others have commented, this is a real crap shoot time now - covid, new employees, not enough employees, new tech that is not fully vetted yet, etc., etc. I hear about constant issues with all GM products now - Blazers to Silverados to Caddys, etc. Plus the Toyota debacle and now RAM with a LOT of issues on their new hurricane engine. Good luck.

There was an OTA flash in April (for what… I have no clue) that affected 2021 and early ‘22 models with 8-speaker B&O resulting in overall lower volume, lower sound quality and now apparently reduced to just tweeters. Ford is aware and working / worked a fix. I believe it is scheduled for Q4. My truck showed DSP related DTCs and there’s an SSM bulletin called out that requires a hard DSP reset. Was hoping that would fix atleast the tweeter problem.

dealer has done the reset but with no affect. Taking it back this week to see if they can get ford to push the OTA flash ahead of schedule. I’m not hold any hope until I hear it.

stereo shop maybe last resort, but doubt they can fix as the software flash is integrated across various controllers

 

[tbeneteau]

No offense and all, but it appears you just joined this forum to make this gripe. Don't get me wrong, I get your truck has issues. My 2020 Chevy Trail Boss had issues. I moved back to Ford. My experience with Ford has been great. My experience with Chevy sucked.

Here is the difference. I know that my truck with Chevy sucked, but I also know that not all Chevys suck. It is part of the modern vehicle. There are just tons of electrical gremlins that can pop up. They are rolling computers that integrate with a massive internal combustion design. Hell, even yours is an engineering marvel. The simple truth is this - wait for it - they all suck now.

Well that is by your standards. Every single truck manufacturer is struggling with quality issues right now. Toyota literally is recalling an entire year of engines for the Tundra. One whole model year. Why? Their manufacturing process was so damn sloppy that all of the engines had so much debris left in them that they are seizing up at an alarming rate. This is Toyota, the king of quality.

GM has its issues. Ram is currently working its gremlins out of the new Hurricane engine that loses half of its cylinders without warning.

So you are mad at Ford. I get it. You can move on. Chances are, you will get a good truck. If you got a Ford, chances are you would as well. The vast majority of folks on this forum are here because we like our trucks (which means they are generally not giving us the problems you describe). I don't say this to run you down. I am actually trying to give you advice: you have a lemon. Trade it for whatever you like best. They all have their potential problems, just understand how complicated all of these trucks have become. They all have their lemons.

Very well put Wes, I agree 100%.

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