5.0 vs PB runs

[ks54703]

It "charges" in about 90-120 seconds FYI.

That's a cool battery running under optimal conditions, once the battery goes over optimal operating temperature it reduces the rate of recharge to save and maintain battery life. The PB is running for it's life to stay ahead of a 5.0 with 3.73 gearing.

The race the internet needs to see is a back to back race with temps in the trucks.

You missed that a 21 302a PB was owned and driven for over a year in all conditions from deathly below zero weather to sweltering hot over 100 degree weather. Did it survive yes it did, did it preform as expected outside it's boasted normal operating conditions on what it could do NO.

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[RickBullotta]

That's a cool battery running under optimal conditions, once the battery goes over optimal operating temperature it reduces the rate of recharge to save and maintain battery life. The PB is running for it's life to stay ahead of a 5.0 with 3.73 gearing.

The race the internet needs to see is a back to back race with temps in the trucks.

You missed that a 21 302a PB was owned and driven for over a year in all conditions from deathly below zero weather to sweltering hot over 100 degree weather. Did it survive yes it did, did it preform as expected outside it's boasted normal operating conditions on what it could do NO.

I'd just slap a blower on the 5.0 and call it a day if I wanted max performance anyway. But at least the guy with the PB could host the post-race tailgate!

 

[Samson16]

Did you read or just yawn through the post. The race is not over until the trucks turn right around line up and go for the starting line. No time for the PB to go behind a current bush for say 5-15 minutes to recharge it's e-go.

5.0 trying to win by going back to back and praying for a blizzard

The 1.5kW HVB only uses about 60% of it's capacity, but unfortunately for the 5.0 that's still enough for over a minute of max power out of the traction motor. More than enough power to show off the PB's pretty tail lights twice in a row with a little regen thrown in for good measure.

Yawn

 

[Yason84]

I know this is a 5.0 vs PB drag race thread, but at the end of the day, unless you’re under the age of 30, who really gives a schiff…. As long as I can merge and pass with confidence carrying a full load uphill, and get ~20 mpg going 75+, I’m happy as pig in the mud.

 

[JExpedition07]

I will say this, the 2025 Rams with that 540 HP 3.0 Hurricane are going to leave us all in the dust. The only Ford that will beat the hurricane is the Raptor R. I am still curious how Ford tackles that. The 3.5 isn’t built for those boost levels (26 psi sustained). Looking at the head bolt pattern on that 3.0, those heads are tougher than any 3.5, 5.0, or 2.7 Ford at the deck. That’s the one limitation with the Ford platform (for all 3 of our engines), turn up too much pressure in the cylinders and the head studs start stretching. A Ram engineer said most of the competitors would warp heads running the boost the Hurricane can run. I think Ford has a good motor family running though, they can also just add E-power to any and all of them if they want. The Mustang DH is all ready at 500 HP, if they could add a lightweight hybrid setup to the 5.0 HO they could pretty easily outperform the Hurricane (which is a long setup to add a series hybrid onto, so a Dodge hybrid to compete is doubtful) inline 6 makes that a challenge for Ram. Interesting choice. Still, a powerful setup.

 

[Yason84]

I will say this, the 2025 Rams with that 540 HP 3.0 Hurricane are going to leave us all in the dust. The only Ford that will beat the hurricane is the Raptor R. I am still curious how Ford tackles that. The 3.5 isn’t built for those boost levels (26 psi sustained). Looking at the head bolt pattern on that 3.0, those heads are tougher than any 3.5, 5.0, or 2.7 Ford at the deck. That’s the one limitation with the Ford platform (for all 3 of our engines), turn up too much pressure in the cylinders and the head studs start stretching. A Ram engineer said most of the competitors would warp heads running the boost the Hurricane can run. I think Ford has a good motor family running though, they can also just add E-power to any and all of them if they want. The Mustang DH is all ready at 500 HP, if they could add a lightweight hybrid setup to the 5.0 HO they could pretty easily outperform the Hurricane (which is a long setup to add a series hybrid onto, so a Dodge hybrid to compete is doubtful)

Well the thing is, the 540 hp Hurricane is not gonna be available in your typical run of the mill Ram 1500. From what I’m understanding at this point in time, is that’s the new TRX engine. The lesser Hurricanes are supposed to make 410 hp and something like 460 tq, give or take, which is still less than the standard 3.5EB.

 

[JExpedition07]

Well the thing is, the 540 hp Hurricane is not gonna be available in your typical run of the mill Ram 1500. From what I’m understanding at this point in time, is that’s the new TRX engine. The lesser Hurricanes are supposed to make 410 hp and something like 460 tq, give or take, which is still less than the standard 3.5EB.

Actually, the 540 HP is optional from Rebel trim up and standard on Limited trims. It will be quite commonplace. The TRX is an even higher output version nearing 650 HP (still a major downgrade from the 6.2 Hellcat though). I don’t think Stellantis quite gets the American market, they are really going to struggle in the muscle car and super truck category with no V8 offering but they will find that out soon enough when Mustang eats Chargers lunch on sales…I think the Hurricane is still a great motor though, I-6 with forged rods and beefy main bearings. She will hold some power.

 

[Samson16]

I will say this, the 2025 Rams with that 540 HP 3.0 Hurricane are going to leave us all in the dust. The only Ford that will beat the hurricane is the Raptor R. I am still curious how Ford tackles that. The 3.5 isn’t built for those boost levels (26 psi sustained). Looking at the head bolt pattern on that 3.0, those heads are tougher than any 3.5, 5.0, or 2.7 Ford at the deck. That’s the one limitation with the Ford platform (for all 3 of our engines), turn up too much pressure in the cylinders and the head studs start stretching. A Ram engineer said most of the competitors would warp heads running the boost the Hurricane can run. I think Ford has a good motor family running though, they can also just add E-power to any and all of them if they want. The Mustang DH is all ready at 500 HP, if they could add a lightweight hybrid setup to the 5.0 HO they could pretty easily outperform the Hurricane (which is a long setup to add a series hybrid onto, so a Dodge hybrid to compete is doubtful) inline 6 makes that a challenge for Ram. Interesting choice. Still, a powerful setup.

That is a lot of power and heat for a little 3.0L to dissipate. Hopefully it has a good cooling system design.

edit: Nice post ?

 

[Yason84]

Actually, the 540 HP is optional from Rebel trim up and standard on Limited trims. It will be quite commonplace. The TRX is an even higher output version nearing 650 HP (still a major downgrade from the 6.2 Hellcat though). I don’t think Stellantis quite gets the American market, they are really going to struggle in the muscle car and super truck category with no V8 offering but they will find that out soon enough when Mustang eats Chargers lunch on sales…I think the Hurricane is still a great motor though, I-6 with forged rods and beefy main bearings. She will hold some power.

You’re kidding! We are now entering an age where anything less than 500 hp is scoffed at. That is crazy!

 

[JExpedition07]

Another interesting tid bit about the 3.0 Hurricane is that from my understating Stellantis is actually paying Ford to use the 5.0L cylinder lining process ( IP owned by Ford) for the plasma arc cylinder liners. These liners are very wear resistant, Nissan is also paying Ford to use the process under license in the GTR. Extremely hard coating the thickness of a finger nail, holds oil onto the cylinder walls better reducing parasitic losses and cylinder wall wear.

 

[HammaMan]

I will say this, the 2025 Rams with that 540 HP 3.0 Hurricane are going to leave us all in the dust. The only Ford that will beat the hurricane is the Raptor R. I am still curious how Ford tackles that. The 3.5 isn’t built for those boost levels (26 psi sustained). Looking at the head bolt pattern on that 3.0, those heads are tougher than any 3.5, 5.0, or 2.7 Ford at the deck. That’s the one limitation with the Ford platform (for all 3 of our engines), turn up too much pressure in the cylinders and the head studs start stretching. A Ram engineer said most of the competitors would warp heads running the boost the Hurricane can run. I think Ford has a good motor family running though, they can also just add E-power to any and all of them if they want. The Mustang DH is all ready at 500 HP, if they could add a lightweight hybrid setup to the 5.0 HO they could pretty easily outperform the Hurricane (which is a long setup to add a series hybrid onto, so a Dodge hybrid to compete is doubtful) inline 6 makes that a challenge for Ram. Interesting choice. Still, a powerful setup.

Ain't skeered.

 

[Yason84]

Another interesting tid bit about the 3.0 Hurricane is that from my understating Stellantis is actually paying Ford to use the 5.0L cylinder lining process ( IP owned by Ford) for the plasma arc cylinder liners. These liners are very wear resistant, Nissan is also paying Ford to use the process under license in the GTR. Extremely hard coating the thickness of a finger nail, holds oil onto the cylinder walls better reducing parasitic losses and cylinder wall wear.

Okay so I did some looking when I had time. The H.O. Hurricane is not just some engine option that you can just select for the Rebel, it requires a whole ‘nother $85,000 trim package that’s replacing the TRX for the time being called the R.H.O. It’s also standard in Limited and the new Tungsten trim. Some other source also said Longhorn will have it but not according to Ram…it’s not mentioned. The H.O. Hurricane-equipped trucks are also kinda gimped on payload compared to their non-HO counterparts. I don’t think Ford is worried about trying to compete with that unobtainable engine option. It’s just another specialty engine going into overpriced, non-working, pavement princesses.

 

[Samson16]

Okay so I did some looking when I had time. The H.O. Hurricane is not just some engine option that you can just select for the Rebel, it requires a whole ‘nother $85,000 trim package that’s replacing the TRX for the time being called the R.H.O. It’s also standard in Limited and the new Tungsten trim. Some other source also said Longhorn will have it but not according to Ram…it’s not mentioned. The H.O. Hurricane-equipped trucks are also kinda gimped on payload compared to their non-HO counterparts. I don’t think Ford is worried about trying to compete with that unobtainable engine option. It’s just another specialty engine going into overpriced, non-working, pavement princesses.

Thanks for doing the research ?
It’s interesting that Ram will be 4 years behind Ford when these new models hit the market, and I’m not sure the lineup stacks up. No V8 option and payloads that make the PB look HDPP ??‍

 

[isthatahemi]

Which trim / batt?
For me the stock range in real world is meh. The 600 mile range of the PB w/ 6m recharge time is quite spoiling. As for the performance, the AWD model is the logical choice for price point, but the performance Is something on-par for a stock tuned PB on the low end, while the PB walks away up top, particularly with the 112 limit.

We're still missing a technological piece to really make a BEV truck logical for those that aren't relegated to grocery getting, and that's ignoring the lack of trailer friendly charging entirely.

Okay, where do I start…..a Tri-Motor Cybertruck is light years faster than anything in the truck realm, pretty much a tie for my 10 second coyote crew cab. Your on crack with your PB is faster comment.

Now for the American struggle to understand use cases….i own 2 trucks, one will be a platinum PB, the other will be my wife’s daily and my weekend toy…..

I really dont care about others thoughts about towing or highway range. I want a 10 second truck with few drawbacks.

If there’s another 10 sec truck (right) that can reliably haul 12k lbs (nope) for short hauls, and a higher payload (nope) than any comparable F150…., I’m all ears.

The Cybertruck the perfect truck for me pretty much.

So, yes, to the 5.0 religion crowd, I’m selling the coyote, for a Tesla lol. Flame away!

 

[Samson16]

The Cybertruck the perfect truck for me pretty much.

Sounds great! Post pics when you get it. It would be cool to see your PB charging your CT ?

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