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I'm waffling and waiting for details, but . . .

Powerboost or Ramcharger?

I have a strong general preference for ford (unless we're talking about old Cadillacs, of course), and the last, actually only, Chrysler I ever owned was a '71 Fury III wagon in law school.

I don't need to be sold on the F-150 (although the packages and what you have to go up to is insane!); it would almost certainly be a KR to get what I want.

Weighing against it is the turbos--I have yet to drive a satisfying turbo--when I ask for power, I expect it NOW, not "in a second". But the electric kicking in should solve that; it seemed to on my test drive.

But given our usage, that 100+ mileage plugin is like a siren's call.

We have to have a daily driver; I can't have my classic car insurance without it. But most of my driving will end up being in my classics, either to car stuff, church, or interstate driving, whether to visit or touring.

I can't even think of how long, in years, since I've hit 100 miles on a day where I wasn't driving interstate (although getaways to Laughlin are about 70, and then tee's the return trip).

Also, most of my non-car club stuff is only a couple or few miles. So the electric again has appeal for the wear involved.

But the ramcharger will be a first year vehicle. And it's coming from the same folks who make the Wrangler 4xe. And the *frequency* of the horror stories on that on enthusiast forums . . . (and, actually, my wife wants jeep. she wants a truck, but she really wants a jeep. and if it didn't cost as much as a powerboost, and had at least a little more range on plugin, int would be perfect. Well, except for all those problems).

And, well . . . Dodge.

Yeah, I know they call themselves "Ram" these days, but Datsun is pulling the slime sleight of hand . . . (err, sleight of lips??)

Dodge also seems to have more free-standing options.

Equipment wise, I need:
1) tilt seat. Flat-out non-negotiable. Absence is a deal-breaker. (and pulling a seat from a scrapyard for a brand new vehicle is a non-starter!)
2) HUD.
3) Partial access on the tailgate.
4) power step/runningboard/whatever for both driver and front passenger (my wife's back)
5) Massage seat (hey, it's an extra hour or two. Even the simple repurposing of the power lumbar from a couple of decades ago would be sufficient)>
6) Not excessively black (I live in the desert; 117F is not an unusual temperature)
7) remote start
8) lane centering and adaptive cruise control
9) bed liner and cover of some type (aftermarket is fine)

I'd actually prefer velour or nice cloth seats to leather (again, desert!), but that doesn't look like it's happening.

Full electric is a no-go until I can grab enough juice in ten minutes to go four hours at 85 with headlights and heat or AC.

And I keep coming back to "first year" and "dodge".

And what if they price like the sliverado ev, rather than the lightning?

I've actually paid my $100 to be in the order queue for the dodge.
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A couple of thoughts from me. :)

You will love the instant power boost from the Powerboost electric motors.

On your list there are a lot of boxes that the Ram will/could check but the information about it is held close to the vest at this point, though it should be getting close to a flood of info.

The PHEV aspect is a homerun if Ram nails it. 100+ miles of electric driving is outstanding with the ICE backup. With that said I would probably wait until 2027 MY before I bought one. Maybe 2026 if they nail it.

How Ram handles their version of PPOB (7.2Kw) and how the truck delivers that electric power is a key to me. I love the F-150's sit in the baking sun and run the radio and AC full blast and have the trucks ICE run for 2 minutes and shut off for the next 8 without issue. This sipping gas feature of the F-150 generator, whether waiting in a parking lot, or powering my house during a power outage, will be something that could be a deal breaker if the Ram does not perform similarly.

Ford is releasing a Super Duty version of the PB and I would hope that the F-150 would get some kind of refresh for a PB version 2 that could improve this already outstanding PB platform.

I will never own another truck that does not have some version of PPOB unless I develop some specific need that prevents me from a PB. I do not see that ever happening at this stage in my life. The PB option takes the pickup truck to another level.
 

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As someone who is also interested in the Ramcharger, it looks good on paper but who knows what real world product they will release. The lack of information about it since the initial press release is slightly concerning. I figured we would have some sort of new information or something on it by now even though they said from the start it would be a 2025 release. They been quiet on the full EV version as well and that was supposed to be a late 2024 model I thought. I'm wondering if they're going to be delaying both models for some reason.
 

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Yeah, I know they call themselves "Ram" these days, but Datsun is pulling the slime sleight of hand . . . (err, sleight of lips??)
Well Datsun is still Nissan. Stellantis is currently Ram.

I wouldn’t purchase a PB if you don’t plan on actually daily driving it.
Edit: Expect to keep it on a tender and your mpg will likely be lower than advertised with infrequent short trips as the routine ?
 
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I paid to be on the list too. But the lack of newer info outside of these 'First Hands-on' videos by influencers has me guarded about shifting from Ford PPOB or next-gen Super Duty PPOB. My 2021 has been awesome and with 'my lack of driving' habit has me curious of what next. Looking forward to see all the new data on next gen offerings.
 
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Well Datsun is still Nissan. Stellantis is currently Ram.
I'd phrase that as, "still styles itself Nissan.

"A thorn by any other name . . ."

I wouldn’t buy a Dodge…….
Yeah, that's what I would have to get around.

Because, well, "Dodge".

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I think the correct spelling is "influenzas" . . .

I like the business that post (and enforce!) that prices for influenzas are triple the posted price . . .
 
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Thanks.

but that's Ram in general, except for a couple of posts.

I will *not* be buying a non-plugin Ram. It's just not happening. I mean, that might be the fourth horseman! (1 & 2 were my father getting cable, and buying a Toyota. 3 was my uncle getting a cellphone. So . . .)



I wouldn’t purchase a PB if you don’t plan on actually daily driving it.
Now that I think about it, my wife will be going 3.3 miles each way multiple times a week once we move my MiL here at the end of the month.

I saw something earlier suggesting the 15th gen F150 in 2026. Now, if there was a plugin F150 coming for 1996, I'd manage to work through until then with this deville I'm about to buy, but I definitely need something right soon.
 

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If the 2.7 and 3.5 Ecoboost not contenders for near-no-lag, then you definitely have your no-lag bar pretty high.
Neither are anything like the stereotype turbo lag of the past.
 

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Ramcharger has made a rather extensive list of promises and thus far has delivered on none of them. I'm expecting at least a $10k price premium vs comparable PB. It'll also be around 8klbs or so empty. I'm betting their battery / range as it stands is less than desired.

0% chance I'd buy a first year vehicle with that many new systems in it. Find a good deal on the PB now while having a capable truck for the 2 or 3 years it takes for them to get their ducks in a row. Perhaps by then there will be other competition. Ford isn't new to PHEVs, they've just done a poor job on making them for a price people are willing to pay. They never brought the PHEV explorer to the states, and they priced their aviator outside of the $7500 tax credit. Ram is probably trying to find a way to deliver a half decent version of the vehicle to achieve that tax credit. Exceeding the $80k cap to receive the $7500 credit will leave a clear line in the sand for vehicles above/below that number.
 

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If the 2.7 and 3.5 Ecoboost not contenders for near-no-lag, then you definitely have your no-lag bar pretty high.
Neither are anything like the stereotype turbo lag of the past.
My first Gen 3.5 did have a lag at times under certain conditions. Ford must have figured it out in later models. I haven't noticed it at all in my 2.7 that I have now. Nearly identical HP and it is just fun to drive.
 
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I've never driven an ecoboust, no.

How does it cut lag? it seems inevitable. An aggressive motor to pre-spin, maybe?
 
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I'm expecting at least a $10k price premium vs comparable PB. I
That's the question, isn't it? $10k but eligible for the $7,500 could be doable, and fairly quickly covered by not paying for gas.

And the efficiency of the Hurricane engine, and resultant mileage, will be an issue.

As a generator only, it could be run solely at its most efficient RPM and throttle. It will lose going from mechanical to DC, and in/out of the battery, but will have no loss to the transmission or torque converter.

Or will dodge price it more like chevy than ford? It looks like the electric Silverado is about $25k more than the Lightning!
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