PowerBoost MPG - WTH??

[HammaMan]

HA! Thats nothing. If you were some unauthorized person unlawfully rummaging and download a butt ton of peoples personal information that you should not have access to, you would be working for President Musk, and have cover.

I mean, if congress did their best to turn me into a king so they could not do their jobs, I might test it as well. I'd appoint myself "cars shouldn't suck czar" and immediately make a requirement of that 9.2bil$ ford EV/batt loan include a stipulation to put half decent hardware behind the infotainment system of any vehicle with an MSRP greater than $39k. Furthermore it must be backwards compatible with 21 and up Sync 4 equipped vehicles (at least F150 and MME), made available for sale before Q4 of this year, with a cost to not exceed $500, AND made in sufficient quantities as determined by a pre-order system that goes live by end of this month.
AND active members of this forum before today get 50% off of it.

Also, future versions of the app cannot delete features already present, PPOB should be able to be monitored from the app, and it must also include remote generator startup mode. Also, comma.ai devices must be able to receive a TRON encryption certificate as well as any other company engaged in a similar product offerings. On the right to repair front, each purchaser of a vehicle is entitled to access both the service manual and unadulterated parts manuals for their vehicles including the ability to perform module software updates at their own risk for no additional cost.

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[UGADawg96]

I mean, if congress did their best to turn me into a king so they could not do their jobs, I might test it as well. I'd appoint myself "cars shouldn't suck czar" and immediately make a requirement of that 9.2bil$ ford EV/batt loan include a stipulation to put half decent hardware behind the infotainment system of any vehicle with an MSRP greater than $39k. Furthermore it must be backwards compatible with 21 and up Sync 4 equipped vehicles (at least F150 and MME), made available for sale before Q4 of this year, with a cost to not exceed $500, AND made in sufficient quantities as determined by a pre-order system that goes live by end of this month.
AND active members of this forum before today get 50% off of it.

Also, future versions of the app cannot delete features already present, PPOB should be able to be monitored from the app, and it must also include remote generator startup mode. Also, comma.ai devices must be able to receive a TRON encryption certificate as well as any other company engaged in a similar product offerings. On the right to repair front, each purchaser of a vehicle is entitled to access both the service manual and unadulterated parts manuals for their vehicles including the ability to perform module software updates at their own risk for no additional cost.

I'd like to donate some hundos to your PAC.

 

[HammaMan]

I'd like to donate some hundos to your PAC.

Now we're talking. I could see you getting a very much needed $10mil grant for educating rural Americans on the environmental benefits of hybridizing forced induction engines in light/medium duty trucks.

 

[Snakebitten]

It be so much less complicated if the manufacturers hired ONE dude/gal per make model.

The job is manufacturer representative on a forum for the make/model. They don't even have to expose who they are. But they are tasked with the mission of harvesting the necessary information that the CUSTOMERS are providing openly and freely.

That information would be considered the GOLD that it is. And leveraged to the benefit of the manufacturers success at improving the product as well as the brand.

Instead, they obviously DON'T see the value, and perhaps unwittingly, are both insulting to the most reachable customers, and actually make things worse for their brand. (Drawing perpetual ire and bot insults)
It's a shameful and pathetic waste of invaluable potential.

 

[Davexxxx]

It be so much less complicated if the manufacturers hired ONE dude/gal per make model.

The job is manufacturer representative on a forum for the make/model. They don't even have to expose who they are. But they are tasked with the mission of harvesting the necessary information that the CUSTOMERS are providing openly and freely.

That information would be considered the GOLD that it is. And leveraged to the benefit of the manufacturers success at improving the product as well as the brand.

Instead, they obviously DON'T see the value, and perhaps unwittingly, are both insulting to the most reachable customers, and actually make things worse for their brand. (Drawing perpetual ire and bot insults)
It's a shameful and pathetic waste of invaluable potential.

It does seem to be a dichotomy, doesn't it?

Data mining is a thing. More often than not, intrusive but on these boards, it is given to them and sometimes in quite detail. And while anecdotally, for the most part, confirmable and in numbers.

OTOH, there are variables in their decision trees that we may not know of, even if they want to make a change.

 

[HammaMan]

Having all of the data from all of the vehicles is only as good one's ability to make use of it. Otherwise you justs have a bunch of data with no real direction. Same for the forums where the users are providing loads of feedback. If it's not continually followed and catalogued, it has little value. Then there's sorting the data for those who need to see it. Ford is just too big to make this an efficient process or startup a team to use current ai models for data sorting / referencing. They could have these types of things going on but from outside appearances, we're not seeing much public facing value if they are.

For all we know the 2 step start method was a factor in the patch to fix the issue that caused it. They'd never acknowledge such. They did put a LLM behind the user manual but the few times I played with it, it was meh.

 

[UGADawg96]

#1 step in product management is research. They are failing.

 

[dafish]

Take it back or sell it quickly please!

Or…let’s check Fuelly and compare real world shall we?

The crappy Powerboost average mpg vs the vaunted Ram 1500 Crew Cab V8. I didn’t even bother with 4x4.

The only way mine gets those numbers is if I throw it off a cliff. No Ford dealer ever listens to the concern. It's constantly "It's all in how you drive it". But I drive the thing silly conservative.

I've driven a few others on dealer lots. Mine seems to not carry as far on battery, and certainly not as fast. Anything over 43mph and it will for sure start the engine. Others I've driven seem to go faster. But then they aren't KR's either, so....

I've asked for a test of the HV battery, and/or a test of the motor. I'm told they have nothing, and it would set codes/alerts if there was a problem.

Now, one thing:
I understand in the King Ranch and Platinum, for some reason, Ford eliminated the electronic IWE. In my '18 the IWE was worth around 1 mpg. Another assumption, but it seems most folks getting better numbers are running XLT's and Lariats. Perhaps that's the issue.

Another: I have the RAS on mine, and it appears to bring the already high rear end up another 1/2" - 3/4"". I assume that too creating at least a mild loss.

Finally, I know all is not right with this transmission. For some odd reason, only at first start-up, the transmission will engage forward and reverse when placed in reverse. Enough power and it jumps and then behaves, or simply putting it into drive and then back into reverse corrects it. Odd, but again Ford does nothing - "We can't duplicate it". I do understand their problem, it does it once every other week, but all is certainly not well.

Is that it is, bit I do wish Ford had deeper commitment to dealing w/it, but the industry is what it is.

 

[dafish]

My early experience with my new 2024 Lariat PB. It’s running Michelin winter tires in stock overall size on 18s.

We drove down to Florida from Toronto at then end of the cold snap. For 1,450 miles my average speed was 64mph. Highway blue cruise was generally set at 80mph on the 70 highways. (I got a ticket in Georgia at 86 running with traffic. I swear he picked out my Ontario plates knowing I’d just pay the tax man).

Anyway, 18.9 mpg for the trip running 87 octane fuel. Down here in Cape Coral it’s averaging 24.8 mpg in mixed speeds. The Cape has a lot of 45mph arterial roads so the PB is in its element here.

At 78 I would be getting 13-14 in a no-wind day.. These things are highly affected by head/tail wind components, so it could be 15 a tailwind.

Mind you there is no reason to think a PB would do anything of consequence to help mpg on the interstate, so I'm not sure what your message is on the interstate trip means.

 

[Samson16]

The only way mine gets those numbers is if I throw it off a cliff. No Ford dealer ever listens to the concern. It's constantly "It's all in how you drive it". But I drive the thing silly conservative.

I've driven a few others on dealer lots. Mine seems to not carry as far on battery, and certainly not as fast. Anything over 43mph and it will for sure start the engine. Others I've driven seem to go faster. But then they aren't KR's either, so....

I've asked for a test of the HV battery, and/or a test of the motor. I'm told they have nothing, and it would set codes/alerts if there was a problem.

Now, one thing:
I understand in the King Ranch and Platinum, for some reason, Ford eliminated the electronic IWE. In my '18 the IWE was worth around 1 mpg. Another assumption, but it seems most folks getting better numbers are running XLT's and Lariats. Perhaps that's the issue.

Another: I have the RAS on mine, and it appears to bring the already high rear end up another 1/2" - 3/4"". I assume that too creating at least a mild loss.

Finally, I know all is not right with this transmission. For some odd reason, only at first start-up, the transmission will engage forward and reverse when placed in reverse. Enough power and it jumps and then behaves, or simply putting it into drive and then back into reverse corrects it. Odd, but again Ford does nothing - "We can't duplicate it". I do understand their problem, it does it once every other week, but all is certainly not well.

Is that it is, bit I do wish Ford had deeper commitment to dealing w/it, but the industry is what it is.

Man, I wish you were having more success with the truck. I don’t know why I average above 20mpg with a lead foot. I do have an XLT but not for the mpg. I just ran out of money to spend lol.

 

[Samson16]

At 78 I would be getting 13-14 in a no-wind day..

At 78mph over relatively flat Interstate like I-10 or I-95 in the south, I’m still above 20mpg. I have to run in the 80’s prolonged to risk dipping below 20.
Now, ripping it down the turnpike in the morning with a good song playing, Sport Mode engaged, up on the wheel, and hitting the speed limiter with repetition I can get 14-15mpg over the 20 mile run.

It’s Rapid Red. It’s in the contract I signed ?

 

[amschind]

I have posted this same thing now maybe 10 times on this forum, but mileage in the PB doesn't depend upon "babying" it as you would a regular ICE. The extra weight is a boat anchor unless it can contribute to mileage, which it does via electric mode. This is heavily limited by wind resistance. I have suggested in the past that the air conditioner also makes a big difference, but I am much less certain of that than I once was. However, for a PB on the highway, the absolute key is to slow down: wind resistance operates on an exponential curve vs speed, and the truck is built like a barn door. To that end, I have run tow mirrors for years, and love the visibility, but HATE the increased drag. I just got my Wolfbox installed, and it is AWESOME. To be honest, I'm frustrated that these trucks don't have cameras for the rearview and side mirrors from the factory: there isn't a good way to use mirrors and optics to get a good view of what's going on beside the truck, and with a camper shell, the rearview mirror is laughable. Cameras and screens are so cheap now that there's no reason why the taillight assemblies don't have rear and side facing cameras whose inputs combine to make a consistent 360 degree view around the truck with virtually zero drag. If there were a legal manner of doing so, replacing the side mirrors with cameras would be my big upgrade for mileage and visibility.

 

[Davexxxx]

If there were a legal manner of doing so, replacing the side mirrors with cameras would be my big upgrade for mileage and visibility.

Interesting idea and it may happen one day.

One weakness though, besides being more complex than reflective glass, is road dirt.

It was nice today, so I was able to wash the salt and crud off from the recent snow.

I don't know that any of my previous trucks threw up as much crap on the tailgate as this one.

The back up camera was nearly unusable, whereas the mirrors were fine.

 

[Samson16]

This is heavily limited by wind resistance.

The shape is a constant across the board. Perhaps the PB gets worse highway mileage than the 3.5EB. It looks like 25highway vs 24highway. Marginal improvement at best and certainly not worth the hybrid system gains.

 

[us2bram]

I notice a huge range in fuel economy depending on ambient temps with pb. Barely noticed a difference in my ram 1500. Also has gotten better as its broken in.

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