dafish
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- 22 F-150 PB KR SCREW, '18 Lariat SCREW
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1400 for a 4x4 PB is relatively good. You're on the higher side. Lariat maybe? An KR, Platty FX4 w/ dual sunroof would have been in the lower 1300's... some comments to help you:
1) Payload is not the sum of the axle ratings. The latter has nothing to do with braking, suspension damping for sway control, frame strength, or other issues needed for total payload. Axle rating does seem to include basic spring rates though.
2) IMO, and lord knows I've used it heavily, Google search engine is the only way to get quality search hits for this or the "other" f-150 site on this topic.
3) There are many schools of thought on this topic. Two polarizing issues are:
A. Is it possible to exceed payload rating safely?
B. Is "Max Tow" a good thing or a bad thing vis a vis payload.
I tend to avoid both discussions, for one needs a flame-suit as well as a significant body of knowledge to properly understand both. I can say this:
I want to be able to safely push payload ratings to the boundaries, and plan to extend my safety margins. No, that doesn't mean I'll have a larger number of the sticker, but I will have a much larger safety margin. That meant I had to understand what limiting factors (aside from a sticker) were. My reading (reach your own conclusions) saw them as:
1) Suspension capability
2) Brake capability
3) Frame capability
If you look at an 2021 XLT with the HDPP, you see that it delivered a 7800lb (as I recall) GVWR. That demanded the max tow (bigger rear brake and more suspension), the HDPP frame, 20" rims, and load appropriate tires. (the front axles are the same save for spring rates.)
Why did PB never have such an option? Dunno. Hardly the first "wtf was ford thinking" moment.
I do know that so I may have a larger safety margin I will set mine up (should I ever find the unicorn I seek) exactly as above: I'm looking for the HDPP frame, max tow, 20's, as well as a long bed. I will add RAS (google it), and run a quality load dist hitch. My sticker will not have changed, and I'll plan to remain compliant, but I'll certainly not be worried when I run it to the sticker limit.
I'm also considering brakes on both TT axles, and if so will look for ABS on at least one axle.
1400 for a 4x4 PB is relatively good. You're on the higher side. Lariat maybe? An KR, Platty FX4 w/ dual sunroof would have been in the lower 1300's... some comments to help you:
1) Payload is not the sum of the axle ratings. The latter has nothing to do with braking, suspension damping for sway control, frame strength, or other issues needed for total payload. Axle rating does seem to include basic spring rates though.
2) IMO, and lord knows I've used it heavily, Google search engine is the only way to get quality search hits for this or the "other" f-150 site on this topic.
3) There are many schools of thought on this topic. Two polarizing issues are:
A. Is it possible to exceed payload rating safely?
B. Is "Max Tow" a good thing or a bad thing vis a vis payload.
I tend to avoid both discussions, for one needs a flame-suit as well as a significant body of knowledge to properly understand both. I can say this:
I want to be able to safely push payload ratings to the boundaries, and plan to extend my safety margins. No, that doesn't mean I'll have a larger number of the sticker, but I will have a much larger safety margin. That meant I had to understand what limiting factors (aside from a sticker) were. My reading (reach your own conclusions) saw them as:
1) Suspension capability
2) Brake capability
3) Frame capability
If you look at an 2021 XLT with the HDPP, you see that it delivered a 7800lb (as I recall) GVWR. That demanded the max tow (bigger rear brake and more suspension), the HDPP frame, 20" rims, and load appropriate tires. (the front axles are the same save for spring rates.)
Why did PB never have such an option? Dunno. Hardly the first "wtf was ford thinking" moment.
I do know that so I may have a larger safety margin I will set mine up (should I ever find the unicorn I seek) exactly as above: I'm looking for the HDPP frame, max tow, 20's, as well as a long bed. I will add RAS (google it), and run a quality load dist hitch. My sticker will not have changed, and I'll plan to remain compliant, but I'll certainly not be worried when I run it to the sticker limit.
I'm also considering brakes on both TT axles, and if so will look for ABS on at least one axle.
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