5.0 vs Powerboost Engine

[ak49rzrs]

Not again

Yes here we are again.

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[MBRecon]

I bought a 2024 XLT PB and love it. Still learning all the stuff about it and my new trailer so have been busy with it all. Are there issues on the FB page...yes but all cars have issues. Drive one yourself and find out. I'm sure a local dealer would love to have you drive one?

 

[starcommtrey1]

" Idk why people talk about reliability like 2 extra cylinders doesn't add complexity compared to a v6 "

Because the smaller displacement motors are pushing that power via turbo's and the designs are a bit more complex, i.e. more things that can go wrong and as stated earlier turbo's do fail and it can be expensive. Stock 5.0 is naturally aspirated and as such, not as complex. It is a valid argument, not that a 5.0 can't have issues, they can, any motor can.

Personally, I'll take the 5.0 everyday of the week.

At that point it was NA vs NA...it kinda went off the rails.....

 

[missileboy]

That is what makes this a kinda dumb argument to me, comparing a boosted vehicle to a NA one, regardless of displacement.

 

[starcommtrey1]

That is what makes this a kinda dumb argument to me, comparing a boosted vehicle to a NA one, regardless of displacement.

Yup...the raptor or shelby version of the 5.0 never makes it to the conversation......not to mention the many dealers selling the ford or roush kits for these trucks that make them just stupid strong.

 

[Forumlurker24]

It doesnt. A V6 and a V8 NA are essentially the same in complexity and the big three have had them for a century. Pretty sure they got them down to an art. I cant believe someone would this a V8 is more complicated than a V6 although I would give you that on an I6 a B6 or a W6!

A v8 has more parts than a v6 so therefore is more complicated. 2 more cylinders means 8 more valves, 2 more pistons. Twin turbos add 2 turbines and 1-2 blow off valves so they really aren't that complicated

No idea how you think an i6 is more complicated considering it has 2 cams vs 4 on a v engine. An i6 also doesn't need a balancing shaft like a v engine does. B6 is basically the exact same thing as a v6. Can't believe someone thinks an i6 is more complicated than a v8 lol

I just think it's hilarious that turbo diesels are considered so reliable but throw a turbo on a gas car and all of a sudden it's a ticking time bomb. Turbos aren't new technology

 

[starcommtrey1]

A v8 has more parts than a v6 so therefore is more complicated. 2 more cylinders means 8 more valves, 2 more pistons. Twin turbos add 2 turbines and 1-2 blow off valves so they really aren't that complicated

No idea how you think an i6 is more complicated considering it has 2 cams vs 4 on a v engine. An i6 also doesn't need a balancing shaft like a v engine does. B6 is basically the exact same thing as a v6. Can't believe someone thinks an i6 is more complicated than a v8 lol

I just think it's hilarious that turbo diesels are considered so reliable but throw a turbo on a gas car and all of a sudden it's a ticking time bomb. Turbos aren't new technology

1.You are assuming that all I6 engines are 2v per and all V8s are 4v per.....
2.Diesel engines (especially older ones without all the electronics) are considered more reliable. Despite the turbo on them, they are a simpler machine.
3. I dont particularly think any NA engine is complicated, with the exception of the rotary engine. Also, a B6 and a V6 are two different animals. A boxer engine is a cool setup that I wish we had more of.
4.A PB is a more complicated setup. Two turbos, hybrid electronics and components, computer controlled out the wazoo.....Todays trucks, diesels included, have all gotten much more complicated. The 5.0, much like the 5.3 and 5.7 are the last that are simple with the exception of the 7.3 Godzilla that is 1970s simple.

 

[Forumlurker24]

1.You are assuming that all I6 engines are 2v per and all V8s are 4v per.....
2.Diesel engines (especially older ones without all the electronics) are considered more reliable. Despite the turbo on them, they are a simpler machine.
3. I dont particularly think any NA engine is complicated, with the exception of the rotary engine. Also, a B6 and a V6 are two different animals. A boxer engine is a cool setup that I wish we had more of.
4.A PB is a more complicated setup. Two turbos, hybrid electronics and components, computer controlled out the wazoo.....Todays trucks, diesels included, have all gotten much more complicated. The 5.0, much like the 5.3 and 5.7 are the last that are simple with the exception of the 7.3 Godzilla that is 1970s simple.

It's 2024 any decent engine has 4v per. I6 Still has half the cams and no balancing shaft on top of having 2 less cylinders. It's probably the best engine design there is barring packaging constraints

The only difference in complexity between a diesel and a gas engine is the sparkplugs. Even then some have glow plugs, diesels are just built with better materials and designed with durability in mind

I really don't understand how you can think an V6 and v8 are the same complexity wise while a b6 is so much more complicated than a v6. You know the b6 is the same a v6 with a bigger angle between the banks right?

 

[starcommtrey1]

It's 2024 any decent engine has 4v per. I6 Still has half the cams and no balancing shaft on top of having 2 less cylinders. It's probably the best engine design there is barring packaging constraints

The only difference in complexity between a diesel and a gas engine is the sparkplugs. Even then some have glow plugs, diesels are just built with better materials and designed with durability in mind

I really don't understand how you can think an V6 and v8 are the same complexity wise while a b6 is so much more complicated than a v6. You know the b6 is the same a v6 with a bigger angle between the banks right?

All diesels since the 80s have glow plugs. They just preheat the cylinder when you start. A boxer engine has a perfect 180 degree offset. Its technically the best balanced engine made. There is a reason only Subaru and Porsche use them. A b6 only shares very little in common with a v6

 

[Polo08816]

The argument keeps getting brought up, keep it simple! Yet the 5.0 reliability is in fact, worse.

I like the 5.0 but add 4wd and crew cab or supercab to it, especially with 3.31 gears... it's not going to give a lot of bottom end performance. 2wd regular cab with 3.73, probably a different story. Even the Mustang is known for being a bit soft down low and those weigh less and have more effective gear ratio.

I’m going to need a reputable source with data from Ford engineering on that. Not forum posts….I will wait.

+1 agreed.

And the other side of the argument - naturally aspirated powertrains tend to be easier and less expensive to service.

 

[FaaWrenchBndr]

I have the 5.0 with the 3.73 and lov it ,

was it a special order or how did you get the 373s with the 5.0?

 

[24STX5.0]

Yes here we are again.

 

[v8440]

Minor quibble, the cummins put in the dodge trucks does not have glowplugs, it has a ribbon heater that does the same thing without the risk of breaking a glowplug tip off in a cylinder. And yes, the cummins 12v with mechanical injection absolutely is much less prone to problems than any modern diesel with scads of electronic control and high pressure injectors, as it should be. That's why both of my diesel trucks have a 12v cummins in them.

 

[Polo08816]

A v8 has more parts than a v6 so therefore is more complicated. 2 more cylinders means 8 more valves, 2 more pistons. Twin turbos add 2 turbines and 1-2 blow off valves so they really aren't that complicated

No idea how you think an i6 is more complicated considering it has 2 cams vs 4 on a v engine. An i6 also doesn't need a balancing shaft like a v engine does. B6 is basically the exact same thing as a v6. Can't believe someone thinks an i6 is more complicated than a v8 lol

I just think it's hilarious that turbo diesels are considered so reliable but throw a turbo on a gas car and all of a sudden it's a ticking time bomb. Turbos aren't new technology

1.You are assuming that all I6 engines are 2v per and all V8s are 4v per.....
2.Diesel engines (especially older ones without all the electronics) are considered more reliable. Despite the turbo on them, they are a simpler machine.
3. I dont particularly think any NA engine is complicated, with the exception of the rotary engine. Also, a B6 and a V6 are two different animals. A boxer engine is a cool setup that I wish we had more of.
4.A PB is a more complicated setup. Two turbos, hybrid electronics and components, computer controlled out the wazoo.....Todays trucks, diesels included, have all gotten much more complicated. The 5.0, much like the 5.3 and 5.7 are the last that are simple with the exception of the 7.3 Godzilla that is 1970s simple.

+1. The addition of emissions equipment for turbo diesel engines have made them less reliable over time in the passenger vehicle segment.

The commercial turbo diesel powertrains are not quite the same and have been designed with a significantly longer service life.

 

[Boen]

was it a special order or how did you get the 373s with the 5.0?

It was special order

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