PB to Lightning

[Groovicles]

Anyone who can afford it and want EV TRUCK should get Cybertruck. Yes, towing limited range same as all EV truck. BUT the key difference is FSD. With FSD, Tesla is above everyone else in the EV world…and the separation is astronomical.

Blue Cruise 1.4, which I have, sucks. Not even in the same universe as FSD. I now see the foolish automotive media bias against Tesla. Diving anywhere where sun is in front or just to the side of front will confuse BC1.4 like a drunken driver! And if the lane markers are faded, get ready for some emergency maneuvers! I am surprise Ford release such a horrible driver assist!

Now, I love my PB for what it is. But anyone who wants just an EV would be foolish to buy anything but a Tesla.

Except FSD doesn't make a truck more functional or useful. FSD certainly doesn't help the Cybertruck frame from breaking in half, though the Cybertruck definitely needs all the help it can get in that regard. FSD is a big selling point for these vehicles, and I guess it needs to be since the build quality on these vehicles is atrocious.

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[Snakebitten]

It's not lost on me that if Tesla didn't exist, then neither would my beloved Mach-E, nor the Lightning. So I get the fact that Tesla, and therefore Elon, might be included in various posts on my favorite forum. ?

But this particular thread is giving off the same vibe as the Mach-E forum. One I frequent daily, for obvious reasons, but have nowhere near the same affinity. I come hear to get away from my Tesla/Elon fatigue. ???

 

[Vulnox]

Exactly. That Tesla are willing to assume that risk (nannies in the passenger seat or not) should signal to folks where the technology is - yet Elon's detractors would rather rage against the machine than acknowledge the obvious.



I agree with you: FSD when I have used it wasn't ready - but its not the data point that's important- it's the slope of the line and I respectfully submit you're missing the point (it's literally improving weekly) but to each their own. And if one thing is for sure- I have added to hijacking this thread enough....Back to more discussion about the awesome Powerboost and Lightning!

I don't think I am missing the point, because I agree with you. FSD is improving weekly and I said multiple times it's super impressive. FSD is beyond where BlueCruise is without a doubt.

My argument is against saying FSD is FSD. It should have remained part of AutoPilot so it kept the plausible deniability of being a driver assistant. That they added "Supervised" to FSD is just silly. It's a sign that someone was selling something nowhere near what was promised.

If they rebranded it, or people like I was seeing on here, would stop acting like it's ready for full driver replacement I would see no issue. It's clearly not at that point, even if it's closer than anyone else is.

 

[nomarhits400]

That they added "Supervised" to FSD is just silly.

It's not silly- it's iterative...Right?

 

[Tigmd99]

Except FSD doesn't make a truck more functional or useful. FSD certainly doesn't help the Cybertruck frame from breaking in half, though the Cybertruck definitely needs all the help it can get in that regard. FSD is a big selling point for these vehicles, and I guess it needs to be since the build quality on these vehicles is atrocious.

Sure there are issues with CT. CT is not really a HD truck. But it has a higher payload than most 1/2 ton. I certainly would not tow regularly with it…but then again i would not with my PB either with its anemic payload. If i am towing 8k+ regularly, then i will be on Ford HD forums. I bought my PB to act as a light duty truck with an awesome house generator!

As for build quality…come on, we are on a Ford forum. How about that rear axle on HD tow package coming apart? Rust on the axle? People in glass house should not throw rocks!

FSD is functional and useful. Just like why Blue Cruise is useful…it allows me to drive more relaxing. Arrive at destination more relaxed with more energy. FSD just improves on this by keeping me relax during the drive on highway AND city...and the experience will only improve.

 

[JumboJVT]

Never thought I'd see the day when a bunch of purported truck guys would get into a pissing match about which vehicle does the best at driving itself. To quote Jackie Gleason as Bufort T. Justice in Smokey and the Bandit "What in the hell is the world coming too?"

 

[Tigmd99]

Never thought I'd see the day when a bunch of purported truck guys would get into a pissing match about which vehicle does the best at driving itself. To quote Jackie Gleason as Bufort T. Justice in Smokey and the Bandit "What in the hell is the world coming too?"

Very true. I apologize for derailing this thread.

But not so long ago, people thought that it was blasphemy to have small displacement turbo engines instead of big displacement V8. And not so long ago people thought that the world was ending putting hybrid tech into anything other than a Toyota Prius!

and here we’re….

 

[Larrymoe]

No one cares about my thoughts, but it's America, so you're going to get them.

I don't understand why anyone wants a computer to drive for them. I like driving. It's one of my favorite things. I trust myself and my ability to handle a vehicle far better than some computer.

You're welcome and thank you for attending my Ted Talk.

 

[HammaMan]

Never thought I'd see the day when a bunch of purported truck guys would get into a pissing match about which vehicle does the best at driving itself. To quote Jackie Gleason as Bufort T. Justice in Smokey and the Bandit "What in the hell is the world coming too?"

To be fair, computers do most things on modern vehicles. The gas pedal sends an electrical signal to the computer. It runs an algo that attempts to interpret what you're demanding. The start button is a command to begin the start sequence. With the PB the brake pedal tells the system your brake demand and it begins to regen and blend brake friction.

Airbus aircraft are completely flown by a computer with a human directing it what to do when they move the joystick. Even a lot of tractors/heavy equipment these days are electric over hydraulic with a computer sitting in-between.

I view current ADAS in much of the same -- I let the computer do what it can. Most driving is utilitarian in nature. Leisure driving is something completely different. Diminishing operate fatigue is appreciated. In the not too distant future you'll be able to hop in your vehicle ready to pass out, and do just that while it drives you home. You'll have an ai assistant on your phone that will already have the vehicle waiting and programed before you enter it. It's simply software. Few if any need it, and even less will complain that it can do it. Where people will get pissed is when interstates become automated driving only.

 

[Larrymoe]

Even a lot of tractors/heavy equipment these days are electric over hydraulic with a computer sitting in-between.

Every single winter you'll see 1 or 2 of these sitting in a field all burnt up. They catch the dry fields on fire and then burn in the fire they caused. At least one of them almost killed the farmer because he had fallen asleep inside.

3 years ago in the spring it was a tractor (this is the one that almost killed the guy). 2 years ago a combine. Last fall it was two.

 

[dochawk]

Anyone who can afford it and want EV TRUCK should get Cybertruck.

but the cost that noone factors in when considering the cybertruck is the huge amount you have to spend on bleach, so you can wash out your eyes after each tie you look upon its Ugliness!

Hey, wasn't there a Star Trek episode where Spock went insane after looking at an ugly ambassador? That is where cybertruck is headed . . .

 

[jcaspar]

The software version 12.6.4 released in February 2025, and the example given of it's lunacy

If you want a Tesla then go for it. It's your money. Just don't complain when it falls apart, tries to kill you, or when you see the average 60-65% depreciation amount over 5 years of ownership common with EV's compared to the 35% average for non EV's. If I were to ever get an EV it'd be on a 2 year lease at most.

My 2013 Model S I bought new would beg to disagree!

 

[JumboJVT]

To be fair, computers do most things on modern vehicles. The gas pedal sends an electrical signal to the computer. It runs an algo that attempts to interpret what you're demanding. The start button is a command to begin the start sequence. With the PB the brake pedal tells the system your brake demand and it begins to regen and blend brake friction.

Airbus aircraft are completely flown by a computer with a human directing it what to do when they move the joystick. Even a lot of tractors/heavy equipment these days are electric over hydraulic with a computer sitting in-between.

I view current ADAS in much of the same -- I let the computer do what it can. Most driving is utilitarian in nature. Leisure driving is something completely different. Diminishing operate fatigue is appreciated. In the not too distant future you'll be able to hop in your vehicle ready to pass out, and do just that while it drives you home. You'll have an ai assistant on your phone that will already have the vehicle waiting and programed before you enter it. It's simply software. Few if any need it, and even less will complain that it can do it. Where people will get pissed is when interstates become automated driving only.

I guess I see system controls as one thing, and all other aspects of driving decisions wholly another. Can the computer avoid that pothole, even it it means crossing into the oncoming lane when safe to do so? Does it understand proper positioning on the road, braking point, apex, acceleration? Does it know that although the road is posted at 50 MPH, it was designed for 70 and is comfortably driven at 65? Does it know that even the posted 50 MPH may not be safe in the rain? A hard rain? Snow? Ice? Does it see that deer trying to decide ito cross? I'll concede that there are places and people where and for whom ADAS might be desirable. I'll also concede that many drivers simply aren't capable of making the decisions noted either. But I'm not one of them.

This reminds me of how happy I am to live in a place where, when it comes to getting from point A to point B, the computer can't do it better: no lines to lane mind, many of the mapped roads are closed seasonally (something lost to the mapping companies) and even if they aren't closed, are to be avoided at certain times of the year (read: mud season), let alone the decision making necessary to make a safe enjoyable ride.

And it occurs to me that almost all of my driving, totaling 20-25K year, would be considered "leisure" by most, even my necessary 60 mile round trip to work during the week. It can be a short 35 minute trip (one way) along a rural, two lane US route, or any of six other routes with a varying amounts of dirt and pavement. And I avail myself of these alternate routes most days; its just more interesting. All that is necessary is to rise and shine a few minutes earlier to get to the office by 6:30. Just can't see can't how having a machine do the driving will improve my experience

 

[Groovicles]

Sure there are issues with CT. CT is not really a HD truck. But it has a higher payload than most 1/2 ton. I certainly would not tow regularly with it…but then again i would not with my PB either with its anemic payload. If i am towing 8k+ regularly, then i will be on Ford HD forums. I bought my PB to act as a light duty truck with an awesome house generator!

As for build quality…come on, we are on a Ford forum. How about that rear axle on HD tow package coming apart? Rust on the axle? People in glass house should not throw rocks!

FSD is functional and useful. Just like why Blue Cruise is useful…it allows me to drive more relaxing. Arrive at destination more relaxed with more energy. FSD just improves on this by keeping me relax during the drive on highway AND city...and the experience will only improve.

I am absolutely aware of the quality issues with F150's as is everyone else here (you should read my "venting" post, so comments like "People in a glass house should not throw rocks!" is the textbook definition of a cop out argument. However, I don't think I've ever read anyone complain about the structural frame of their F150 breaking in half or side panels that can be peeled off by hand. If you really want to compare quality issues between the CT and F150, then ask yourself if you'd rather have a busted rear axle hub assembly or a busted frame. Regardless, the promise of an electric truck is very tempting but the execution has been mediocre at best.

 

[Tigmd99]

I am absolutely aware of the quality issues with F150's as is everyone else here (you should read my "venting" post, so comments like "People in a glass house should not throw rocks!" is the textbook definition of a cop out argument. However, I don't think I've ever read anyone complain about the structural frame of their F150 breaking in half or side panels that can be peeled off by hand. If you really want to compare quality issues between the CT and F150, then ask yourself if you'd rather have a busted rear axle hub assembly or a busted frame. Regardless, the promise of an electric truck is very tempting but the execution has been mediocre at best.

Oh come on…watch the video again by JerryRig. There was nothing that can be peeled by hand. And then watch the FOLLOW-UP video by that same guy when he visited Tesla repair shop and see the design that went into CT.

CT rear end design is actually Impressive. The thought that went into it for repairs etc is amazing.

Just be open-minded man. On the one hand, CT rear end ”issue” was after REPEATED abuse by a contruction crew EXCEEDING the federal requirement. On the other hand, F150 rear HD axle let loose with no abuse AND, worst, unpredictable. Not sure your argument holds water.

See the rear CT design from the very guy who abuse the CT rear end:

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