Ford and UAW Reach Agreement

[fordtruckman2003]

I assume the UAW demands something in the new contract about not sending more production outside of the US. I see that as inevitably the result of increased expenses on labor for the "big three." CEOs and shareholders still need their money to keep going up.

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[Natetroknot]

We will all pay for any decisions Ford makes. A years worth of engineering that doesn’t pan out? Passed on. Equipment purchased with good intent that turns out to be a waste? Passed on. A tax law that legislature alters to negatively impact bottom line? Price increase. An emissions guideline enacted that completely changes how you do things? Yep, you guessed it. An environmental law that you must suddenly adhere to? Passed onto the consumer. A CEO bonus, a pandemic-induced supply chain nightmare…..why is it OK to justify the price increase like this…….
But not because people in this country have suddenly increased their life-work balance and might have actually enabled their families to own homes and take vacations.

Lighten up if this can’t make you feel more happy than bent outta shape about it

 

[JohnMcClane]

People preaching Tesla build quality in this thread clearly have never owned a Tesla.

Hearing regular folks whine about other regular folks getting paid more is wild, like we get it, you love being bent over by corporations, would you stop talking about it.

 

[Snakebitten]

Let's see now

The union sucks
The blue collar worker sucks
The management sucks
The suits suck
The shareholder sucks
The corporation sucks

But the product is the best there is available in all the world. (personal opinion on 1/2 ton trucks)

Amazing how that's even possible. ??

 

[DeltaTango]

Let's see now

The union sucks
The blue collar worker sucks
The management sucks
The suits suck
The shareholder sucks
The corporation sucks

But the product is the best there is available in all the world. (personal opinion on 1/2 ton trucks)

Amazing how that's even possible. ??

Amen brother ??

 

[Hullguy]

i was called in to work in a teamster shop in florida, my group was not union
we were brought in to FIX the flucks up the union folks were not getting done.
LAZY, sneaky, pretentious etc every one of them except the snapper and a very few handful of aircraft technicians.

maybe i used wrong words, but we brought the shop back into line with the contracts and got birds back on schedule, made a truck load of money working circles around the union workers that had more coffee breaks and excuses not to work . only reason for delays was the lazy entitled baffoons that felt it was OWED to them to work slow or in reverse , thinking they could squeeze more overtime. instead we took it all, with a few of their guys with us. never mind these teamsters were already making 27 to 35 an hr with every fed holiday and paid vacation plus medical for almost nothing.
i enjoyed my paychecks that were just over double what they earned. best 8 months of my post navy career money wise.

bottom line from what they taught me, is yes we all need to be paid our worth, and paid for GREAT results. but not sit on my asss demanding more breaks or money when you are already on top tier for your actual job.

i am happy that at least ford is getting back to work. being out on strike does not pay the bills.

Sounds like it was a management team that needed fixing!

 

[Kodiak]

Sounds like it was a management team that needed fixing!

I have 20 years in union and 10 years in management. If you are making a product that sucks it usually is not the janitor's fault, it is the fault of management.

 

[Ed21]

Jealousy is one of the worst traits of the human race IMO.

 

[turbopilot]

People preaching Tesla build quality in this thread clearly have never owned a Tesla.

Hearing regular folks whine about other regular folks getting paid more is wild, like we get it, you love being bent over by corporations, would you stop talking about it.

Have not seen any real preaching about Tesla quality. I own a Tesla Model Y and a F-150 PowerBoost. Totally different vehicles with different use cases. Tesla Model Y is a local town car while the PowerBoost is the long distance traveller. Build quality is comparable between the two.

What is different is the management of the automation. About every two weeks I get a Tesla OTA software update. It will install in about 25 minutes. No Mongoose, FDRS or $50 toll to get it. All free, fast and automatic.

Ford is a generation behind in supporting automotive automation. The burden to support the truck falls to the dealers and the customers. It is a heavy burden particularly when they keep pushing out bad code that must be fixed.

 

[ks54703]

I have 20 years in union and 10 years in management. If you are making a product that sucks it usually is not the janitor's fault, it is the fault of the management

 

[Ryan74]

Let’s not forget while corporate profits and worker productivity have skyrocketed over the last 50 years, wages have mostly stagnated.​

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Instead of raising prices on consumers to offset these wage increases maybe Ford should settle for making only $11 billion instead of $12 billion dollars next year…​

 

[Vin]

Let's see now

The union sucks (I know a union member that is a POS and Wall St Journal says they are communists)
The blue collar worker sucks (I once met a lazy janitor)
The management sucks (I worked for a sycophant supervisor)
The suits suck (CEOs are greedy bastards according to MSNBC)
The shareholder sucks (This hedge fund guy I saw on CNBC only cares about stock price)
The corporation sucks (I heard they are beholden to shareholders in the New York Times)

But the product is the best there is available in all the world. (personal opinion on 1/2 ton trucks) (Because America)

Amazing how that's even possible. ??

FINALLY. Someone gets it. See above. If you don't agree with Snakebitten, you're Hitler.

 

[JohnMcClane]

Have not seen any real preaching about Tesla quality. I own a Tesla Model Y and a F-150 PowerBoost. Totally different vehicles with different use cases. Tesla Model Y is a local town car while the PowerBoost is the long distance traveller. Build quality is comparable between the two.

What is different is the management of the automation. About every two weeks I get a Tesla OTA software update. It will install in about 25 minutes. No Mongoose, FDRS or $50 toll to get it. All free, fast and automatic.

Ford is a generation behind in supporting automotive automation. The burden to support the truck falls to the dealers and the customers. It is a heavy burden particularly when they keep pushing out bad code that must be fixed.

I think it's important when comparing the two to consider when they were founded and what there purposes were.

You're already conceding they are totally different vehicles with totally different use cases, but your comparing there manufacturers like they should be the saem.

They were founded a full century apart. When Ford was founded, the first digital computer didn't even exist yet. Heck you even ask the "founder" of Tesla what the company is and he'll tell you it's a technology company, Farley won't say that about Ford. So comparing software updates in Tesla's to software updates in Fords is a lot like comparing a smart phone to an old flip phone, they share a similar primary purpose, but the similarities basically end there.

Do I wish Ford would improve it's technology sector? Absolutely, but that costs money, and good luck getting corporate to expense that.

 

[JExpedition07]

Once the Apple iCar and iTruck comes out it’s over for Tesla anyway….lol but in all seriousness that would be a cool product.

 

[SumGuy]

Is this the unions fault or Fords fault for letting that pass inspection?

What’s stopping Ford from sending it back and saying “do better?”

It’s literally a person who makes that call. Ford quality checklist probably wouldn’t let it slide, but pencil pushers have to check the box, so they do. If they reject it it creates

i was called in to work in a teamster shop in florida, my group was not union
we were brought in to FIX the flucks up the union folks were not getting done.
LAZY, sneaky, pretentious etc every one of them except the snapper and a very few handful of aircraft technicians.

maybe i used wrong words, but we brought the shop back into line with the contracts and got birds back on schedule, made a truck load of money working circles around the union workers that had more coffee breaks and excuses not to work . only reason for delays was the lazy entitled baffoons that felt it was OWED to them to work slow or in reverse , thinking they could squeeze more overtime. instead we took it all, with a few of their guys with us. never mind these teamsters were already making 27 to 35 an hr with every fed holiday and paid vacation plus medical for almost nothing.
i enjoyed my paychecks that were just over double what they earned. best 8 months of my post navy career money wise.

bottom line from what they taught me, is yes we all need to be paid our worth, and paid for GREAT results. but not sit on my asss demanding more breaks or money when you are already on top tier for your actual job.

i am happy that at least ford is getting back to work. being out on strike does not pay the bills.

this is exactly what I see in our one union shop as well. 700 mostly lazy people, and double the salaried supervisors vs our non-union plants. Out of control wages, and low quality output vs our non-union plants.

if we were paying for a better trained workforce, a more adaptable workforce, better quality, better safety, and more throughout, then of course i would be on the side of private unions.

but that is not the reality.

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