F150 Hybrid Towing Range?

[UGADawg96]

I rarely turn on a television except to watch grandkids movies. But I could swear I saw a Ram commercial at one of the kids house and it was something about Motor Trend truck of the year and the word "Ramcharger" was boldly on the screen for a few seconds. Some blonde dude was in the cab of the truck.

It all happened so fast that I couldn't grasp the dialog, and the sound was down.

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[Samson16]

As a new Jeep Wrangler owner I have been quite impressed by the quality and ease of use. Our loaded Sahara mall crawler has been a joy to own thus far. The Wrangler 4xe continues to sell well and is fully accepted into the Jeep family. ??‍

 

[dafish]

I’m certainly not going to take a ford forum down the ramcharger path, but I did reserve one during the announcement,of the thing. Should it all work out it’s about perfect for me. The PB is mostly an interim for me.

Now, do I trust Ram? No. but then ask me about my F-150 repairs. Still, odds of my buying a first year version of Rams first EV are low.

 

[dochawk]

But I'll believe it when I see it,

that's the crux of it, really.

I'd been waiting on it (and Job 2).

If Job 2 actually brings back what I want, I'm not waiting any more (and will take my ramcharger deposit back).

 

[dafish]

Regarding a plug-in hybrid SuperDuty class truck - Not an easy ask.

I see only two reasonable directions worthy of pursuing. A planetary drive would have to be hella stout for something like a 1 ton application and be expensive/risky to design, while a serial implementation feels like it would be awful big/expensive to scale up to 1 ton class work.

Worse, what's the market? 80% of most 1 ton's aren't going to invest. Meanwhile Ramcharger covers the soccer dad using his half ton truck as a DD and occasional tow vehicle, adds in a very hefty payload, and caps it with some pretty attractive power generation capabilities. Suddenly it's a pretty capable machine (relative to the average truck on the road). If it works as it should. Mind you while I don't trust Stellantis, it's not like most of this is new technology.

I'm hoping Ford or GM make a Ramcharger competitor, for I fear Ram being the next Datsun.

 

[UGADawg96]

Regarding a plug-in hybrid SuperDuty class truck - Not an easy ask.

I see only two reasonable directions worthy of pursuing. A planetary drive would have to be hella stout for something like a 1 ton application and be expensive/risky to design, while a serial implementation feels like it would be awful big/expensive to scale up to 1 ton class work.

Worse, what's the market? 80% of most 1 ton's aren't going to invest. Meanwhile Ramcharger covers the soccer dad using his half ton truck as a DD and occasional tow vehicle, adds in a very hefty payload, and caps it with some pretty attractive power generation capabilities. Suddenly it's a pretty capable machine (relative to the average truck on the road). If it works as it should. Mind you while I don't trust Stellantis, it's not like most of this is new technology.

I'm hoping Ford or GM make a Ramcharger competitor, for I fear Ram being the next Datsun.

I still call them Dodge trucks.

 

[HammaMan]

Regarding a plug-in hybrid SuperDuty class truck - Not an easy ask.

So with the tesla semi using model 3 motors, how does that change your calculation? They walk traditional semis by orders of magnitude faster to speed in all regimes. They use 2 speed planetaries in their in-axle gearbox.

0-60 empty is faster than your truck (5 seconds). 0-60 loaded to 40 tons, 20 seconds. Electric motors don't need multi-speed gearboxes, but when you use them things start to get a little retarded in a drivability kinds of way. 2 speeds make a lot of sense though, very simple and can be done electrically w/out a need for a pressure pump. They don't need to shift under load thanks to multiple motors making their lives very 'easy'. 2 speeds w/ 2 driven axles allows one to regen revmatch while the other axle is still providing acceleration, shifted axle comes back, other axle shifts.

 

[Samson16]

So with the tesla semi using model 3 motors, how does that change your calculation?

Aren’t they using three of the S Plaid motors in the production vehicle for efficiency?

Regardless, when we looked into the Ramcharger I seem to recall it’s basically a 3/4 ton anyway right?

Notice the number of wheel lugs.

 

[HammaMan]

Aren’t they using three of the S Plaid motors in the production vehicle for efficiency?

Regardless, when we looked into the Ramcharger I seem to recall it’s basically a 3/4 ton anyway right?

Notice the number of wheel lugs.

Most of the EV trucks use 8 lugs. Lightning and CT don't (error on CT part, it needs 8 lug, lightning is riding the edge).

Plaid motors are variants of the 3 (all of them were until CT) sans special CF wrapping to survive the high speed it's capable of. When they made the 3, its parts went into the Y and into the S and X as well because it was newer leaner tech. The CT was another jump in technology. The plaid getting $40k knocked off of its price is due to it getting mass produced parts. Tesla's prices keep dropping while they're still able to reduce cost of goods. They've easily got the highest margins of any mass produced vehicles out there. When the "Q" drops at its lowest price point, it's really going to shake up the market -- $25k.

My understanding of it is that the exterior panels will be composites with coloring injected into them -- something that's nearly impossible to do today without overmolding (pretty finished surface on the beauty side already in the mold before injection). Loads of painted parts in the F150 interior because it's hard to get perfect part finishes from injection alone. Maintaining color consistency and finish is hard over large batches. The one thing they do have going for them is the materials can be ground up and fed back through the machine creating nearly zero waste.

 

[Snakebitten]

Regardless, when we looked into the Ramcharger I seem to recall it’s basically a 3/4 ton anyway right?

Notice the number of wheel lugs.

It's really hard to know what is hype and what will be the reality IF/when the Ramcharger is actually in the hands of the consumer. And while I would be very impressed to find the typical Ramcharger actually has 2400# Payload capacity, that still Heavy Duty 1/2 ton (HDPP) territory, rather than good Payload for a 3/4 ton.

Again, I will be impressed. But I want far more than 2400# on a SuperDuty with ProPower, regardless of what approach Ford chooses to expand "Hybrid" technology to the SuperDuty.

 

[Samson16]

It's really hard to know what is hype and what will be the reality IF/when the Ramcharger is actually in the hands of the consumer. And while I would be very impressed to find the typical Ramcharger actually has 2400# Payload capacity, that still Heavy Duty 1/2 ton (HDPP) territory, rather than good Payload for a 3/4 ton.

Again, I will be impressed. But I want far more than 2400# on a SuperDuty with ProPower, regardless of what approach Ford chooses to expand "Hybrid" technology to the SuperDuty.

I think a 7.3l hybrid Super Duty with 50A PPoB and #4500 payload will be pulling Brinkleys around this country in large numbers.

 

[HammaMan]

Honestly I'd rather have a de-gimped ~147" WB truck vs a ~157 WB vehicle. Ford is the only one gimping this wheel base at this point.

 

[Snakebitten]

I think a 7.3l hybrid Super Duty with 50A PPoB and #4500 payload will be pulling Brinkleys around this country in large numbers.

Dem Brinkley's are the bomb!

But dang if they aren't dealing on them at all.

 

[Snakebitten]

Honestly I'd rather have a de-gimped ~147" WB truck vs a ~157 WB vehicle. Ford is the only one gimping this wheel base at this point.

I love the 157"

 

[Henfield]

Regarding a plug-in hybrid SuperDuty class truck - Not an easy ask.

I see only two reasonable directions worthy of pursuing. A planetary drive would have to be hella stout for something like a 1 ton application and be expensive/risky to design, while a serial implementation feels like it would be awful big/expensive to scale up to 1 ton class work.

Worse, what's the market? 80% of most 1 ton's aren't going to invest. Meanwhile Ramcharger covers the soccer dad using his half ton truck as a DD and occasional tow vehicle, adds in a very hefty payload, and caps it with some pretty attractive power generation capabilities. Suddenly it's a pretty capable machine (relative to the average truck on the road). If it works as it should. Mind you while I don't trust Stellantis, it's not like most of this is new technology.

I'm hoping Ford or GM make a Ramcharger competitor, for I fear Ram being the next Datsun.

ZF already offers a hybrid transmission for Commercial vehicles. With a built in electric drive and stout enough for 900 ftlbs torque.

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