F-150 vs. new Tundra

[WalterMitty]

That box warning can be disabled -- it's in the forscan thread.

But do you need Forscan to do it? Or can you find it buried in the menus in the truck somewhere?

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[Gord0]

But do you need Forscan to do it? Or can you find it buried in the menus in the truck somewhere?

You need FORScan, which is free.

 

[Henfield]

I haven't seen that box in a while....Perhaps its gone with an update.

BTW: The Tundra engine woes have basically stopped owners from trading their vehicles in for something else. Dealers don't want the engine failure issue on their watch.

 

[Kidder]

The Tundra with the drivetrain tunnel that hinders the center back seat passenger should be considered unacceptable for anyone looking for a full size truck.

 

[Samson16]

Hi friends,

New member here. I have owned Fords most of my life. Starting with my 1993 F-150, then a Lincoln MKZ, then a Maverick. Never had a huge issue with these great vehicles.

Fast forward to November 2023. My wife and I married and moved to my family farm. We needed a truck to haul a newly purchased tractor and some horses. We bought a 2024 Tundra because my dad has 2 Toyotas that have been quite literally indestructible.

Now, Toyota has recalled 100K 22-23 model trucks for engine bearing failures. The 24's are not included, but the bearing in those are spinning at low milages (2K is the lowest I have seen). The value of the 22-24 trucks are plummeting. One dealer quoted me a $8k loss, the other a $12K loss. I drove a long distance and only lost 3K on a gold tier CPO F-150. The stop sale from the recall is KILLING their values and some dealerships refuse to take those as trades.

I loved the Tundra, and as much as I hate to say it, did not trust the engine to stay in tact. I did not feel like getting a short block replacement and driving a lonor for a month.

Our local Toyota dealership is billing Toyota $40k per rebuild. I know that for a fact from a service manager.

Some observations:

1. The Tundra feels bigger from inside the cab. Don't get me wrong, the F-150 does not seem small by any means, but the Tundra is "beefier" feeling.

2. The Ford has more tech. Mine is 302 high in the XLT trim, but even the regular XLT has much more tech than the Tundra. I like Sync 4 better than the Tundra's software. It is more intuitive to use by a long shot.

3. The F-150 handles like a sport car (compared to the Tundra). I can whip it around curves like nobody's business.

4. I got the 2.7 ecoboost. After looking online and talking to Ford Master Service Technicians, they told me right now the 2.7 in the F-150's are the most reliable. I am getting 24-25 MPG on back roads. BTW, the Fords normally come with a larger tank. My Tundra could go around 400 miles on a tank and the F-150 goes 600.

6. The Tundra is more refined. Where the Ford makes the slightest cluck or rattle, the Tundra never did.

7. If you use the App to start or lock/unlock your truck, it is better on the Toyota. However, you earn FordPass points on their app, and I am using mine for a free tranny/diff service today.

8. The 4x4 system in the F-150 is quicker to engage/disengage and frankly feels smoother driving in 4x4 on the Ford.

9. The Tundra's engine sounds like a real truck. The 2.7 in the Ford sounds like a jet engine spooling constantly.

Great post. I appreciate your first hand observations.

 

[thudnblunder]

If Yugo sold a truck in America, he would declare it superior to his Ford.

I'm starting to feel like a sucker though. It's not easy to get me to take the bait, but have I?

Nobody really parked their brand spanking new vehicle for 15 months while waiting for a replacement wiper motor that never malfunctioned.

I've been hooked. ????

My truck is in for the axle repair today and the guy says “we have the replacement wiper motor too” and I’m like ehh, I wish I could pass on it because the old motor works and they’ll screw up the water jet angle when they go in for this.

 

[thudnblunder]

Toyota, Honda, Yamaha, and even Mazda

Mazda are one of the best kept secrets of the automotive world. Incredible feature set, solid engineering and build quality, and a really fun drive at a really good price point.

I have two Mazdas right now (2009 Mazda6, and a 2016 CX-5) with no plans to get rid of either one.

I only considered a F-150 because Mazda doesn’t make trucks, and the PowerBoost engine with ProPower.

 

[Calson]

On what planet is the 2.7 not the most trouble free of F150 motors? Cause it sure aint earth.

When I was researching trucks in 2021 and 2022 there were many posts by people who had the 2.7L engine suddenly shutting down with no warning. After the engine had cooled it could be restarted. These posts are not difficult to find if one bothers to take 5 minutes to do so. There is this thing called a search engine that works over the internet - try it sometime.

 

[GypsyDanger]

When I was researching trucks in 2021 and 2022 there were many posts by people who had the 2.7L engine suddenly shutting down with no warning. After the engine had cooled it could be restarted. These posts are not difficult to find if one bothers to take 5 minutes to do so. There is this thing called a search engine that works over the internet - try it sometime.

Yea sorry, those must have been drowned out by the mass of cam phasers and oil consumption from 3.5s/5.0.

Again on earth, the 2.7 has the best track record by far.

 

[Calson]

3.5 and 5.0 are two different engines and no point in considering to be the same. But all you offer is your opinion and if you never tow then it is not a problem. I wanted a truck I could use to tow and the 3.5L was the best choice in 2022.

https://www.f150ecoboost.net/threads/2105-2-7-shut-off-while-driving.75146/
https://www.f150forum.com/f118/psa-2016-ford-f-150-2-7l-ecoboost-engine-failure-tips-389859/
https://www.f150forum.com/f12/2-7-liter-ecoboost-engine-stalls-334164/
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/2-7l-issue.23375/

 

[Samson16]

Yea sorry, those must have been drowned out by the mass of cam phasers and oil consumption from 3.5s/5.0.

Again on earth, the 2.7 has the best track record by far.

I am not proud to say that if I had administrative privileges my first act would be to ban @Calson . You know when you have every opportunity to be magnanimous and altruistic, but you go straight up gutter petty instead?

 

[GypsyDanger]

3.5 and 5.0 are two different engines and no point in considering to be the same. But all you offer is your opinion and if you never tow then it is not a problem. I wanted a truck I could use to tow and the 3.5L was the best choice in 2022.

https://www.f150ecoboost.net/threads/2105-2-7-shut-off-while-driving.75146/
https://www.f150forum.com/f118/psa-2016-ford-f-150-2-7l-ecoboost-engine-failure-tips-389859/
https://www.f150forum.com/f12/2-7-liter-ecoboost-engine-stalls-334164/
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/2-7l-issue.23375/

I wasn't equating them the same but they both have had there issues which are much more widely known and documented. Every engine has had its days but to straight up not recognize the 2.7 as being the least troublesome is willfully ignorant.

Needing/wanting the 3.5 to tow with is a entirely different thought process and valid but trying to slide unreliability under the umbrella of the 2.7 just ain't it boss.

 

[Calson]

Any data you care to share or continue to make observations based on nothing?

 

[GypsyDanger]

Any data you care to share or continue to make observations based on nothing?

Would you like me to link you cam phaser/timing chain or oil consumption post? I could sit here for days finding thread after thread on those engines.

I've been around these 150 forums going on a decade and anyone else who's been around 150s for that same amount of time could easily vouch for the same trends. Unfortunately Ford doesn't publish this sort of info(smart) so it's all a matter of conjecture and observation.

 

[Snakebitten]

In all fairness, as legendary as phasers (3.5) and oil consumption (5.0) has been on F150 forums, on the Gen14 trucks it has all but vanished.

Both improvements were long waited for. It's quiet regarding is pleasant.

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