Brake upgrades?

[HammaMan]

Get you the 16" rotor kit for the fronts and be done w/ it then.

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[The_Auto_Tech]

Did some more looking around on this. I'm assuming the big reason a lot of companies aren't offering a rear setup is because they don't have an option for the parking brake. There's a lot of front options from Baer, Wilwood, Brembo, etc., but nothing for the rear.

I spoke with TBM yesterday about regarding brake offerings. They said that their drag brakes would require disabling the ABS system due to bias/programming issues, but that their street brakes don't require it. They don't recommend running their drag brakes on a street vehicle since they are a solid rotor, so they don't dissipate heat enough from repeated use. That was the reason for offering the street brakes. They don't have a fix for the parking brake option, but the nice thing is that they do offer a line lock kit for the front that works directly with their front brakes, as well as a bolt on option for the rear kit too. Most likely the street front and rear kit with the line lock kit is the route I'll be going with the yellow calipers.

As far as a parking brake goes the line lock kit would work for short periods of time, but you can't leave the solenoids engaged on it for long periods of time. I'm fine with that. A broken parking pawl is something I've only run into once on a customer vehicle in many years of working on cars. Worst case scenario you just block the tires until you can repair it. I don't ever use the parking brake on any of my auto trans vehicles these days.

 

[Captian_insano]

Baer has a budget bbk for the front dont they? Uses the stock calipre with a new calipre bracket and bigger rotors, Ill see if I can find it quick, the website was hard to find other parts on but they had front and rear pads too

edit: https://baer.com/Front-15-BigClaw-Rotor-Upgrade-21-24.html found them, they have options for pads too ya

 

[HammaMan]

Baer has a budget bbk for the front dont they? Uses the stock calipre with a new calipre bracket and bigger rotors, Ill see if I can find it quick, the website was hard to find other parts on but they had front and rear pads too

edit: https://baer.com/Front-15-BigClaw-Rotor-Upgrade-21-24.html found them, they have options for pads too ya

That's really the most cost effective way to increase the brakes. Far more effective than any stock size solution.

 

[The_Auto_Tech]

Does anyone know if someone has been able to code out the electronic parking brake with FORScan, or if potentially a resistor could be installed to disable the warning?

 

[My 2ND Ford]

Baer has a budget bbk for the front dont they? Uses the stock calipre with a new calipre bracket and bigger rotors, Ill see if I can find it quick, the website was hard to find other parts on but they had front and rear pads too

edit: https://baer.com/Front-15-BigClaw-Rotor-Upgrade-21-24.html found them, they have options for pads too ya

My fear with putting larger rotors up front without increasing the rears will unload the rear brakes allowing squirrelly braking. The electronics can only compensate for so much. I would hope Baer brakes has tested this and found it to not cause a problem.

 

[amschind]

I use a Powerstop kit. I think the confusion arises from what you might get, as global improvement is only possible with a high dollar big roto replacement system (which means that your pads and rotors are now proprietary items that might be unobtanium in 15 years). The benefit that I'm after is eliminating fade when towing heavy. Specifically, the day will come when I realize that the interstate has stopped for whatever reason, and I mash the brakes and the trailer brake controller for good measure. If the sublimating pad is prevented from lubricating the disc on that one occasion, then the kit did its job.

 

[HammaMan]

My fear with putting larger rotors up front without increasing the rears will unload the rear brakes allowing squirrelly braking. The electronics can only compensate for so much. I would hope Baer brakes has tested this and found it to not cause a problem.

Not even remotely an issue. There's far more going on behind the scenes than you realize including yaw correction.

 

[Captian_insano]

My fear with putting larger rotors up front without increasing the rears will unload the rear brakes allowing squirrelly braking. The electronics can only compensate for so much. I would hope Baer brakes has tested this and found it to not cause a problem.

The kit uses the stock calipre, so proportioning for front/rear bias (until abs kicks in) wouldnt change, hydraulic wise nothing changes, front/rear bias stays the same. In fact its when you go to the kits that use 4/6/8 piston calipres that have a much larger volume requirement, that what your worried about comes into play, this kit doesnt increase the front brake proportioning anymore than stock, only increases the torque the stock calipre can deliver through the larger diameter rotor. I assume that there is enough volume moved by the stock master cylinder that it works okay with larger/higher volume brake calipres that its also okay still, but ya, this wouldnt make the front do anymore work than stock. In fact, it would probably, under normal braking effort, just decrease the amount of pedal travel needed (however small that would be) since the stock calipre would have more torque advantage with the larger diameter rotor vs the stock size one. And then when you do need it, there is more overall available braking available, within reason. Its like going from a short ratchet to a longer ratchet/breaker bar, same amount of of effort on a longer bar results in more work being done.

 

[HammaMan]

The kit uses the stock calipre, so proportioning for front/rear bias (until abs kicks in) wouldnt change, hydraulic wise nothing changes, front/rear bias stays the same. In fact its when you go to the kits that use 4/6/8 piston calipres that have a much larger volume requirement, that what your worried about comes into play, this kit doesnt increase the front brake proportioning anymore than stock, only increases the torque the stock calipre can deliver through the larger diameter rotor. I assume that there is enough volume moved by the stock master cylinder that it works okay with larger/higher volume brake calipres that its also okay still, but ya, this wouldnt make the front do anymore work than stock. In fact, it would probably, under normal braking effort, just decrease the amount of pedal travel needed (however small that would be) since the stock calipre would have more torque advantage with the larger diameter rotor vs the stock size one. And then when you do need it, there is more overall available braking available, within reason. Its like going from a short ratchet to a longer ratchet/breaker bar, same amount of of effort on a longer bar results in more work being done.

If you look at aftermarket calipers, they typically retain the stock piston area keeping the force applied identical so as to not intentionally upset the balance. The volume only matters on one side for 6 piston for instance as they're opposing, and for a given fluid volume with the same area, the distance 'traveled' is the same with each side taking up half the distance.

 

[Captian_insano]

If you look at aftermarket calipers, they typically retain the stock piston area keeping the force applied identical so as to not intentionally upset the balance. The volume only matters on one side for 6 piston for instance as they're opposing, and for a given fluid volume with the same area, the distance 'traveled' is the same with each side taking up half the distance.

Oh ya, you’re right on that and I assume that they pay attention to the overall volume on the caliper side of things so you dont have to go to an different master cylinder, at least for certain brands and vehicles, and brake kits, definitely some kits for different applications need some thinking on master cylinder sizing though, totally depends on a few factors. It used to matter a lot more with old school stuff, especially if you had drums too, I remember playing with a bunch of stuff with master cylinders and proper sizing when we’d do disc brake conversions on things in high school, or even swapping drum brakes around lol. But that was all to say as well that with the Baer kit at least, brake biasing front to rear SHOULD stay the same, just have an increased brake ability when hard stopping is required.

 

[The_Auto_Tech]

Put the order in with TBM for their front and rear XS3 brake upgrade kits in yellow along with the front dual line lock kit and DOT 5.1 fluid. They also threw in a couple t-shirts for free too. Most likely for now I will just zip tie the parking brake motors up to the frame to keep the faults from showing up until I can find another option for it. Should be a really nice setup as well as provide me with the line lock to be able to do burnouts with it and not have to cobble something together. Should be all I need for the brake system! I'll keep ya guys posted on my thoughts with the kit. Hoping that besides not being able to run the parking brake it is a nice viable option for a full front and rear upgrade!

 

[The_Auto_Tech]

Order will be here tomorrow!

 

[missileboy]

I just installed the Wilwood AERO6 on my 2024 F150 XL. You can run 18 inch rims, you don't HAVE to run 20's, with the Wilwood anyway. I have a Whipple on mine and the increased brake feel and performance is pretty nice. Stock brakes weren't bad and I could have survived just fine with them as is. I am leaving my rears stock. Just not enough of an improvement over stock to change out the rears and lose my electric parking brake. TBM makes good stuff too!

Whatever you do, before you mess with it, go out and make sure you can put your truck in Brake Maint mode BEFORE YOU START! don't screw up like so many guys have by not doing this step before they start to do the work.

I decided to do a trans level check since I had the truck up. The new tires came with new TPMS sensors and by the time I had idled the truck and got the trans temp up to 206 degrees (about 15 minutes) to do the trans fluid check, the new sensors had already registered with the system, so I didn't have to do the TPMS re-learn procedure!


18 inch FUEL Rims with the new Wilwoods

 

[SALEEN961]

Has anyone looked into retrofitting the larger 350mm x 24mm rear brakes onto a truck that came with the standard 336mm x 20mm brakes? I'm sure the performance wouldn't match any of the aftermarket big brake kits, but it would allow you retain the factory parking brake.

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