What would get you off the fence to order?

[runner61627]

I ordered my through Granger and was told it would be 6 to 9 months to get my truck. It is now over 11 and it will be another month or two to be delivered to Granger. It is what it is.

Do you know what your order priority code is? Also, were/are restrictions/constraints on items that affected your order?

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[Polo08816]

I ordered my through Granger and was told it would be 6 to 9 months to get my truck. It is now over 11 and it will be another month or two to be delivered to Granger. It is what it is.

Yeah, that's unacceptable. I believe it is a Ford problem, but I also have a bit of an issue with a "non-refundable" deposit with no guaranteed delivery timeframe.

 

[Matisse70]

Wow - almost a year is ridiculous. Do you know what your priority code is? Also, was there any restrictions/constraints that delayed the order? The HUD was restricted most of the year as far as I know.

I was a priority 03. There were many constraints (HUD, Pro Acess Tailgate, spray in bedliner, Hybrid Engine, Tires) and some others.

 

[Matisse70]

Yeah, that's unacceptable. I believe it is a Ford problem, but I also have a bit of an issue with a "non-refundable" deposit with no guaranteed delivery timeframe.

So did I at first but then it was business as usual if you get exactly what you want.

 

[Paul Neubauer]

What has been going on with your truck if you don’t mind me asking? I’m going to be pulling the trigger on a 2025 lariat fx4 3.5 EB next year. Out of all the new full size trucks, the F-150 seems to be the best still. I’ll be coming from a 2022 Tacoma and REFUSE to touch the new tundra with all the engine problems it has and is still having, I also refuse to touch the FCA/Stellantis/Fiat 1500 truck and the GM’s are garbage too with their lifter problems.

It started with a check engine light that required a dealer visit which ended up being the DPF filter was destroyed and had to be replaced because the injectors were not programmed right at the factory and were overfueling. I also had an issue with the headlights not aiming themselves correctly when the truck was started and you would have to restart the truck to run them through the aiming sequence again. This ended up being a ridiculous amount of time for Ford to finally figure out and tell the dealership what to do each time to troubleshoot the problem. They ended up replacing the HCM 4 times, replaced the drivers side headlight assembly, fixed some messed up wiring in the cab, fixed some messed up wiring in the engine bay, replaced the BCM, replaced the entire wiring harness associated with the headlight system and then finally replaced the passenger headlight assembly which was the one that always had the problem.

During this same time period, the entire rear window with slider had to be replaced because they could not stop the rattle, the wiper motor was replaced, the rear axles were replaced and need to be replaced again and 7 other recalls that were minor but still had to be addressed.

This truck has been back to the dealership 6 times now with very long wait times to get it back each time only to verify it was still not fixed. They did finally get the headlight issue solved but it is back getting the drivers headlight assembly replaced again due to the beam pattern being distorted. There is also a severe vibration that had started under the truck that I wanted them to look at and they think they found it and have the transmission torn apart but parts are on backorder to put it back together.

Today is day 216 that the dealership has had my truck...

 

[technicool24]

So I just recently got my 2024 STX with the 5.0 in it. I’ve been following the 14th gen ever since they were released back in 2021. For me I was always holding off since I would read about some of the issues the 10 speed was having and would also see the stories about the quality control issues.

Then with the post COVID market “shortage” most of the dealers in my area were marking trucks up by 10 to 12 thousand dollars. After a few months I considered ordering from Granger Ford or from one of the more reputable dealers in my area. But the issue I had was the lack of quality control on the earlier trucks in the generation and the issues that were still being ironed out. Ford has never been one to release a new generation of vehicles and get everything right the first time. Ford does however always seem to improve later in the generation. For example GM’s 5.3 and 6.2 engines are still being plagued by lifter issues. Whereas a lot of complaints that used to be made about Ford’s 10 speed seem to have dissipated after the CDF Drum update. Now of course there are still reports of failures and issues but it certainly seems to be a lot better than when the trucks were first released.

Once the 2024 models were released and I got a chance to see what Ford had added as standard features across all the trim levels it finally seemed like the price points for the STX and lower optioned XLTs were certainly more justifiable. When looking at the earlier models I always looked at the XLT over the STX as the STX really wasn’t getting much more than what the XL had. Also my plan was to keep the truck for a long time and the lack of technology in the STX seemed as though the truck would seem to be behind the times far quicker than the 2024 STX.

I finally decided to purchase my truck this year. I was cross shopping online between various dealers in my area. I will say the online pictures and spec sheets certainly don’t do the STX justice. When looking at the pictures online the STX certainly looks like it would have a cheap feeling interior compared to the XLT. When I went to test drive/purchase I even started test driving and looking at the XLTs as I figured that would still be the trim I’d most likely end up in. After test driving and looking a couple different XLTs I decided to look at and test drive a STX. The STX completely blew me away for the value and features in the truck at the STX price point. The only real differences between the XLT and STX are the 360 camera, zone/approach lighting, power seats, blue cruise and a couple other features that I realized I wasn’t too interested in.

My STX has lane keep assist (which is actually really good compared to some other manufacturers I’ve been in) it has remote start through the app, plus all the other app features. Sure it doesn’t have blue cruise, but realistically I am not interested in hands free driving so it wasn’t really a feature I was interested in. It’s got manual seats but I’m the only one who drives the truck. And on the rare occasion if someone else drove it, it wouldn’t be an issue for me to adjust my seat and mirrors back. It has the 12 inch infotainment screen, wireless CarPlay, and it has all the same connectivity and convenience features I would have used if I had gone with the XLT. My STX has the 36 gallon fuel tank (which I think is now standard with all 2024 trucks), the LED headlights are also great too. I think Ford separating the STX from the XL and making its own trim rather than a package for 2024 really added a lot of value to the STX. And best of all the STX was listed at 10,000 dollars less than MSRP as we are approaching the release of the 2025 model year.

I financed through Ford, and I got the extended warranty as well. I got a decent deal on my trade in too. Overall everything came together that I finally felt as though I was getting the most for my money with the 2024. Also Ford has standardized a lot of the interior features/components between all the trims for 2024 which certainly seems to have helped overall quality control as there are less parts to QC between all the trims.

One last thing, when it comes to reliability I decided to choose what I felt would be the most reliable options. For me the engine options I considered were the 2.7 and 5.0 which from my research seem to be the two most reliable engine options. The 2.7 was pleasant to drive but I really wanted the 5.0. I didn’t want a sun roof as I didn’t want to worry about leaks and failures that seem to plague most sunroofs, not just Ford’s. With manual seats I don’t have to worry about the electrical components failing in the seat in 10 years either. With the STX it seemed like you get a lot of “creature comforts” with enough manual/basic features that are generally more reliable than other advanced or powered features. I am not the biggest fan of the digital gauge cluster when it comes to a longevity factor, but my warranty is good for 8 years so if it were to go out I at least will be covered for a while.

I realize this a long post but I figured I’d share my thoughts to help those who may be in a similar situation that I was in considering whether or not to order/purchase a truck. This is also my first post so I apologize if there are any formatting issues. I’d be interested to hear others opinions and answer any questions if anyone is looking at the XLT vs STX like I was.

 

[technicool24]

I'm not sure if building lower trim F150s FIRST in 2025 is a great strategy. Here's a snapshot from my local dealer and they appear to have a problem moving lower trim 2024 F150s:

I too have noticed my local dealers have a huge amount of lower trims sitting on their lots too. It seems like the dealers are having trouble moving XLTs the most. I think with the STX having a decent amount of overlap with standard features also found in the XLT a lot of buyers are going down to the STX or they go up to the Lariat since the price difference between the XLT/Lariat isn’t huge. Of course the buyers in the market for a King Ranch or Platinum are definitely not considering the XLTs and STXs. Some of those buyers may go down to the Lariat. Interestingly enough I recently saw that the 2025 model years are all getting a lower package level added to each trim. Ford is also removing some of the “standard features” found in the lower trims like the STX and XLT and putting them into the Lariat or leaving them in the XLT but removing them from the STX. I would think this is due to the fact that the dealers are having trouble with those trims not selling due to the amount of overlap found between them.

 

[Smokewagun]

It is sad. Just REALLY sad. I’ve had over 30 Ford trucks in my lifetime, and as of today, I am not sure I will ever buy another Ford. The DW and I planned on getting a Bronco, and after attending the Off-Roadeo in Tennessee this past weekend, I am all but hooked. I just can’t get over the crap quality and the constant price gouging going on with Ford. Yes, they all do it, but Broncos and F-150’s are piling up on the lots, and they STILL KEEP raising prices with no incentives.
Then, the quality is tanking.
My son asked me what I’d buy tomorrow, and frankly, I don’t know. The 2024 F-150 looks like a plastic piece of crap. The grille assemblies look so cheap, coupled with the ugly headlights and taillights. Then ring in crap quality. Nothing Ford builds anymore has excitement. Even the Tremor and Raptor with the recycled water bottle trim says “cheap faded cracked plastic” is in your future.
There is no guarantee you’ll get what options you order, or even get it at all. I waited 14 months for my last King Ranch, and the quality was crap. My current 2023 STX is a shitty shifting junk box that rattles and displays what IT WANTS on the screens, and even goes blank while driving. Supposedly a fix is coming… only 6 months late.
My Lightning was the best truck in years… quality, ride, fit and finish, etc. I was an early adopter, and after working thru the charging issues, it was flawless. Only one, I guess, and my fault, was the standard range. I should’ve gone extended. Looking at another, but frankly, I don’t know what will knock me off the fence. Trade values suck. There is no dealer discount. And the PCO and tax incentive just hasn’t moved me. I’m concerned Ford has abandoned quality. Seems the SuperDuty was good enough to shut down production to fix the quality issues, but pumping out all other oval-laden crap is okay. I guess I am really happy to see others posting that they are fed up with Crap Quality is #1 at Ford. Maybe it’s time Ford reads posts instead of just patting everyone on the back who buys a new one.

 

[24STX5.0]

What would get me off the fence is if Toyota started selling a Tundra Classic with their bulletproof 5.7L (and sold it at a sensible price; not $70K). Boringly reliable is how I like to roll. I love my 5.0, but I can almost hear the Ford gremlins hammering away at the rest of the truck overnight. I've had zero issues through 10K miles though, so maybe I got lucky. They even gave me a good paintjob and battery! Reading this forum doesn't inspire confidence though.

 

[Forumlurker24]

Trade values. Went to look at a powerboost yesterday and apparently my 302a has depreciated 40% after a year and 12000 miles. What a joke.

I told the appraiser he doesn't know what he's doing and he bragged that he just appraised a tremor same year and mileage for 49000. Feel bad for the tremor guy

 

[dochawk]

PB only comes in 4WD as of 2024.

that's the part I know is impossible

I wouldn't trust the ordering process over being able to find you a truck on the lot you could get ~$10k off of.

of the ten KR and Platinum on lots within 100 miles, current asking price for them is $2,000 below list for the entire set put together.

One dealer is still holding out for its on lariat, another $1,000 under, and another $4k under.

At about $400 miles away, I can find $5,000 under list.

Ordering granger comes to a ballpark of 10% off.

And for all of the dealers in North America put together, I think that the total sitting on lots with PAT is about zero. Hmm, I take that back; I found one Lariat in town with it--at full MSRP.

The HUD isn't an "easy aftermarket add-on". If you don't get a truck with it, you're not going to add it.

literally dozens of them that tap OBD. They range from about $30 to $250 on amazon.

Massage seats are easy to add, just $2k in parts roughly. The longer you wait, the less options you have.

I've seen a couple of threads on it, but there seems to be a variance on whether or not the parts are actually available at any moment. I'm also not clear on how much warranty/ESP is voided (and I'd actually like them covered!), and whether this really means cutting and redoing the sticking of the seats (which I'd definitely need something else to do--I can mount and dismount all day, but that coordination thing for a pretty stitch is another story!).

 

[runner61627]

I was a priority 03. There were many constraints (HUD, Pro Acess Tailgate, spray in bedliner, Hybrid Engine, Tires) and some others.

That is very high priority and used by Ford for special circumstances. Takes precedence over all retail and stock orders. Unbelievable it took so long even with all the constraints

 

[HammaMan]

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If the OBD HUD was worth a shit, I might install it for a day if given for free just to say I had tried it and to reaffirm it's poo.

Get a 502 lariat (both shown here w/ PAT and HUD. Here's one $7k off ($3k of offers don't apply) https://stiversfordofmontgomery.com...ry-al/2024-ford-f150-lariat-1ftfw5ld3rfb34659 You have he same ford offers as I do here $2k off + 2.9%/48 -- 3.9/60 -- 4.9/72 if that matters (not 7.2kW inverter, can add for $800)

This one about the same price with 7.2kW inverter
https://stiversfordofmontgomery.com...ry-al/2024-ford-f150-lariat-1ftfw5ld8rfb34785

There are deals to be had, just need to broaden the search. I've dealt with these guys if you're interested. They're willing to deal. You can't quite match the 18% off I was able to get on the 24 XLT due to the $2500 PCO I had that stacked. I went the no-nonsense approach and they even took another ~$600 off.

Forgo the HUD and still get PAT. Add in MCS for $2k and the 7.2kW inverter for $800 and you're down to $~65k (no moon roof, unclear if you're interested in it) https://stiversfordofmontgomery.com...ry-al/2024-ford-f150-lariat-1ftfw5ld3rfb57536

 

[v8440]

Hamma, you in Montgomery? I've dealt with them a couple of times, can't say I like them much. Pretty high pressure and unwilling to deal at the time, though that was some years ago. I had much better luck with Long Lewis in Prattville. In fact, the salesman there that sold me a couple of mustangs is now the sales manager. Good folks.

 

[HammaMan]

Hamma, you in Montgomery? I've dealt with them a couple of times, can't say I like them much. Pretty high pressure and unwilling to deal at the time, though that was some years ago. I had much better luck with Long Lewis in Prattville. In fact, the salesman there that sold me a couple of mustangs is now the sales manager. Good folks.

No, bought from them out of state. Got a good sales guy / sales manager that were pretty much no BS. Like I said 18% off a 302a 5.0.

My post on getting the 24
https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/threads/and-another-ford-joins-the-family.26478/

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