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At stop and ice is off then pressing gas my truck the transition to ice control is starting to get on my nerves.. The shudder from stopped ending to running is quite noticeable. Also there is beginning to be a very slight delay from command of the peddle to actual usable power. This is very unpleasant. Normal?
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Play with how you apply throttle and watch the gear changes. You may want to reset your trans's learned strategy as well.

Do you use auto-hold?
 
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When I release the break the truck starts rolling under battery power. When I first apply gas pedal pressure that's more than just what the battery can provide it starts the ice. It's the initial start up of the engine that causes a noticeable shudder. Acceleration is smooth and ice shutdown is smooth. Yesterday when sitting in parking lot for a bit and the truck is going back and forth keeping the battery charged the truck idles a bit rough while is charging. I might be sensitive to these things. Does yours transition from off to running without any noticeable feeling?
 

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If you have any PCM updates available in FDRS, I'd recommend getting it applied. Every update I've done on my '21 has made incremental improvements to shifting and also the initial engine start.
 

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When I release the break the truck starts rolling under battery power. When I first apply gas pedal pressure that's more than just what the battery can provide it starts the ice. It's the initial start up of the engine that causes a noticeable shudder. Acceleration is smooth and ice shutdown is smooth. Yesterday when sitting in parking lot for a bit and the truck is going back and forth keeping the battery charged the truck idles a bit rough while is charging. I might be sensitive to these things. Does yours transition from off to running without any noticeable feeling?
In my 2023 PB, The transition from electric to ICE is most noticeable from a stop to start transition. I usually have AC blasting and b&o cranked up so it’s not annoying To me. When cruising or coasting the transition from electric to ICE happens without being noticeable. I have to have my cab dead silent or be watching gauge clusters to tell when it happens at a cruise.

My 2018 f150 Coyote had auto stop-start and it was much more annoying because there was no hiding the sound and shudder of the v8 cranking up. I installed the stop-start eliminator on that truck.
 

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When I release the break the truck starts rolling under battery power. When I first apply gas pedal pressure that's more than just what the battery can provide it starts the ice. It's the initial start up of the engine that causes a noticeable shudder. Acceleration is smooth and ice shutdown is smooth. Yesterday when sitting in parking lot for a bit and the truck is going back and forth keeping the battery charged the truck idles a bit rough while is charging. I might be sensitive to these things. Does yours transition from off to running without any noticeable feeling?
The transition from electric to ICE from a stop is rather harsh. Ford really should have coded it so the electric motor would do more work from a stop. For example have the electric motor be able to take the truck up to 20 mph when under light to moderate throttle, start the ICE while the clutch is disengaged then seamlessly transition like it does when cruising. This alone would make a HUGE difference in stop/go driving. As it sits now the ICE will fire up if you put even the slightest amount of pressure on the pedal. :confused:

Perhaps Ford will use a more powerful axial electric motor instead of a radial one (edit the motor types) and larger hybrid cell in the next generation that will do something like this as it would significantly improve stop/go fuel mileage losses.
 
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The transition from electric to ICE from a stop is rather harsh. Ford really should have coded it so the electric motor would do more work from a stop. For example have the electric motor be able to take the truck up to 20 mph when under light to moderate throttle, start the ICE while the clutch is disengaged then seamlessly transition like it does when cruising. This alone would make a HUGE difference in stop/go driving. As it sits now the ICE will fire up if you put even the slightest amount of pressure on the pedal. :confused:

Perhaps Ford will use a more powerful radial electric motor and larger hybrid cell in the next generation that will do something like this. as it would significantly improve stop/go fuel mileage losses.
You might be on something. Yes the transition to ice I not noticed when cruising. I believe that even the current system can employ what you suggested. I have a battery monitor and just a few miles per hour from start using the battery is minimal. I have only noticed 1 time that the actual starter motor was used when starting. I really don't know what the circumstances were that required that but every other time it's been started by the generator/electric motor.
My truck is starting to run rough at a idle when it's charging the battery. I probably need to run diagnostic to see if I have fouled plugs.

I have been considering buying a tune. I know the tune I used on my 2016 really improved the throttle tip off response.
I wonder if the guys that tune can adjust the point where the throttle starts the ice.
 

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You might be on something. Yes the transition to ice I not noticed when cruising. I believe that even the current system can employ what you suggested. I have a battery monitor and just a few miles per hour from start using the battery is minimal. I have only noticed 1 time that the actual starter motor was used when starting. I really don't know what the circumstances were that required that but every other time it's been started by the generator/electric motor.
My truck is starting to run rough at a idle when it's charging the battery. I probably need to run diagnostic to see if I have fouled plugs.

I have been considering buying a tune. I know the tune I used on my 2016 really improved the throttle tip off response.
I wonder if the guys that tune can adjust the point where the throttle starts the ice.
The chances of having fouled plugs is extremely low. The rough idle when charging the hybrid battery is very normal. Especially if you do not have eco-idle active. The ICE is under a significant load if it's not and will lug the engine. With eco idle active the rpm will raise up to 1500 and charge the battery pack up from 40 to 65-70% in about 60-90 seconds then shut off. Even with eco-idle active it lugs a little bit but is a lot less than the lower rpm. You can check to see if this is turned off under the truck settings in the sync system.
 

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When I release the break the truck starts rolling under battery power. When I first apply gas pedal pressure that's more than just what the battery can provide it starts the ice. It's the initial start up of the engine that causes a noticeable shudder. Acceleration is smooth and ice shutdown is smooth. Yesterday when sitting in parking lot for a bit and the truck is going back and forth keeping the battery charged the truck idles a bit rough while is charging. I might be sensitive to these things. Does yours transition from off to running without any noticeable feeling?
There is no shudder with our PB. Though on rare occasion there is a hesitation when starting from a stop.

So, my vote is that your experience is NOT normal.

Though it's hard to tell how bad it is from a description. Maybe post a video of the shudder? It might help us other PB owners compare.

Edit: for clarity
 
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Why are you comparing a car to a truck and then brag about how much better it is? That's the way you came across. I don't understand your point.
BTW how does one video a seat of the pants shutter?
 

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BTW how does one video a seat of the pants shutter?
You can get a cheap cell phone holder, maybe one that fits in a cup holder. Then record as you are driving to capture the shudder. That should [in theory] visually capture the shudder, as it's moment of inertia would be different than the surrounding objects.
 
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The shudder is seat of the pants. Want me to sit on the camera?
Come on man. You can't capture a vibration on camera.. what am I supposed to focus on?
 

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Why are you comparing a car to a truck and then brag about how much better it is? That's the way you came across. I don't understand your point.
Sorry I was not clearer. I have edited my post to focus on what is relevant to your situation.

BTW how does one video a seat of the pants shutter?
Another good point - I was just thinking out loud.

Though @tc3driver might be onto something. Maybe you don't even need to buy anything. You could try recording with your phone setting in the cup-holder (camera leaning so it points up and out). Maybe the shudder show as camera shake - or maybe it won't.
 

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When I release the break the truck starts rolling under battery power. When I first apply gas pedal pressure that's more than just what the battery can provide it starts the ice. It's the initial start up of the engine that causes a noticeable shudder. Acceleration is smooth and ice shutdown is smooth. Yesterday when sitting in parking lot for a bit and the truck is going back and forth keeping the battery charged the truck idles a bit rough while is charging. I might be sensitive to these things. Does yours transition from off to running without any noticeable feeling?
In normal mode I don't notice the transition. It's very smooth. I notice the 1st to 3rd gear skip more. In sport mode the off/on engine transition is very noticeable and annoying just like our Expedition work SUV, however in sport mode it shifts through 2nd gear so there's that. I really prefer normal mode thus far. Eco lugs and sport has the annoying start stop. Tow/haul is ok because the engine never stops. Slippery is good for exercising the 4H now and then. It's smooth like normal to me.
 

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When my ICE kicks in from a standing stop, it has always been noticeable (rough) on my PB. All of my FDRS updates have been applied as of last month.

* It is significantly more noticeable when the engine/transmission isn't fully at operating temp.
* ICE seems to transition to running at the precise moment the transmission skips from 1st to 3rd gear, which makes it more noticeable.
* I usually drive in Eco or Normal mode, and the rough kick-in of ICE happens in both.
* I can make it tolerable with a very precise throttle input, but IMHO, this should not be required on a $70K vehicle, and Ford really needs to do a better job.
* As mentioned previously by others, it is only noticeable from a stop. Rolling down the road, I almost never notice the on/off of the ICE.
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