Quest for BlueCruise 1.4 on 2022 Powerboost

[Snakebitten]

I think you are right. I am contaminated by my experience with my Tesla. It just sits in my garage and updates itself all time with no assistance needed with a far more capable self driving system. It is a vivid contrast just how much further ahead Tesla is with this technology than Ford.

I might add that Tesla does all of their updates with a cellular connection, so the internet connection is not the bottleneck. The difference is that most everything in the Tesla is now done through the Hardware 4.0 computer, not this vast array of modules with 20 year old microprocessors found in the Ford PB.

Yeah, my Mach-E should NOT be a low voltage challenge for OTA since it has the typical EV monster size HV battery to supplement the low voltage buss. However, as you point out, Ford doesn't approach the Mach-E the way Tesla would. Even if Tesla didn't centralize the processing and circuit boards on their vehicle, and instead distributed 40+ modules throughout the vehicle, I can almost guarantee you that they would tap the HV storage to support the necessity for 12V (or 48V) power during the OTA procedure.

Ford just doesn't turn on the Mach-E DC/DC converter if the 12V AGM needs assistance while you are asleep.

I get it with the ICE vehicles. But the Mach-E, and even the Powerboost, Ford could leverage that available energy stored onboard to support OTA challenges.

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[HammaMan]

I think you are right. I am contaminated by my experience with my Tesla. It just sits in my garage and updates itself all time with no assistance needed with a far more capable self driving system. It is a vivid contrast just how much further ahead Tesla is with this technology than Ford.

I might add that Tesla does all of their updates with a cellular connection, so the internet connection is not the bottleneck. The difference is that most everything in the Tesla is now done through the Hardware 4.0 computer, not this vast array of modules with 20 year old microprocessors found in the Ford PB.

While I don't have a tesla, I do follow a few of their promoters and they regularly talk about needing to connect to wifi to download their ADAS updates. Even their 'recall' needed wifi to download.

 

[turbopilot]

While I don't have a tesla, I do follow a few of their promoters and they regularly talk about needing to connect to wifi to download their ADAS updates. Even their 'recall' needed wifi to download.

I misspoke. You are correct. My Tesla is always connected to the internet when at home just like my PB. The difference is that as far as I can tell the PB is not using WiFi for OTA's. Only time I seem to get OTA's on the PB is when the truck is out in a strong ATT&T cellular area.

 

[rugedraw]

I misspoke. You are correct. My Tesla is always connected to the internet when at home just like my PB. The difference is that as far as I can tell the PB is not using WiFi for OTA's. Only time I seem to get OTA's on the PB is when the truck is out in a strong ATT&T cellular area.

Correct. Ford vehicle use the modem to download updates; it is believed to be for the purpose of verifying the contents of the update packets. Only two OTAs have required wifi to install, and they were minor config changes to address some issues and not really an update where files were replaced on the module.

 

[HammaMan]

Teslas are super data hogs uploading their video feeds. I've seen people posting 60GB/mo worth of uploads. Not sure if ford even has such capability. Mine don't upload or download jack over wifi despite having plenty of bandwidth to do so.

 

[turbopilot]

Teslas are super data hogs uploading their video feeds. I've seen people posting 60GB/mo worth of uploads. Not sure if ford even has such capability. Mine don't upload or download jack over wifi despite having plenty of bandwidth to do so.

I pay Tesla $100/year for the Connectivity package. I have no idea how much data it uses but it is sure nice to dial into the on board cameras and get the video security alerts. I see no reason that Ford could not offer the same service. Seems like all the components are there.

 

[HammaMan]

I pay Tesla $100/year for the Connectivity package. I have no idea how much data it uses but it is sure nice to dial into the on board cameras and get the video security alerts. I see no reason that Ford could not offer the same service. Seems like all the components are there.

Sentry mode uses some energy so don't expect it on ICE vehicles. If they could have monetized it on BEVs given tesla talent they've poached, we'd see it. Wouldn't be surprised if it's in phoenix hardware chain for BEV. New nautilus, 25 expedition and navigator have phoenix hardware.

 

[Khal]

Ford should have tapped into the PB's HV battery for these bigger updates if the state of charge was good enough. I guess they just didn't want to spend the money to engineer this extra bit for just a subset of the F150s.

From everything I've read, doing it in 1 day in the garage sounds like good livin vs. the weeks of driving around with a USB stick, bugging dealers, etc.

 

[themlruts]

I’m a little confused here. I just picked up a 2024 lariat. Would it automatically upgrade to 1.4? I read that some with 2024 just had to make Forscan changes. Just trying to figure how I can get bc 1.4.

 

[rugedraw]

I’m a little confused here. I just picked up a 2024 lariat. Would it automatically upgrade to 1.4? I read that some with 2024 just had to make Forscan changes. Just trying to figure how I can get bc 1.4.

The 2024 trucks are shipping with lane change assist etc already and have IPMA software BAE which is the same one being sent to the Mach E and being called BC 1.3 over there by Ford.

Edit: 2024 F150's are shipping with ABG software in the IPMA......not BAE.

 

[Snakebitten]

The 2024 trucks are shipping with lane change assist etc already and have IPMA software BAE which is the same one being sent to the Mach E and being called BC 1.3 over there by Ford.

Hey good man, do you recall what "BAE" was back at the beginning of 2024 when we first loaded "1.4" on our trucks?

I ask only because that compile back then didn't seem to prompt posts that implied such varying results as the current compile does.

 

[rugedraw]

Hey good man, do you recall what "BAE" was back at the beginning of 2024 when we first loaded "1.4" on our trucks?

I ask only because that compile back then didn't seem to prompt posts that implied such varying results as the current compile does.

Correction: 2024 F150's are shipping with ABG which coincides with BC 1.2.

BAE first appeared with the BC 1.3 OTA got pushed out to the Mach E's. Interestingly enough, 2024 Expeditions are shipping with the BAE software, but no lane change assist etc enabled so they call it BC 1.0 on those trucks.

 

[RalpL]

I want to give a shout-out to @Khal for starting this thread and to the rest of you who have contributed, especially @rugedraw who helped me tremendously to get BC1.4 working with guiding me through my first nervous experiences of playing with FORScan. Of course, @Livnitup 's tutorials and spreadsheets are invaluable.

My path was a bit different than the rest of you in that I needed my bed camera replaced right at the time I came up on the Mongoose lending list. My local dealer has been very good with updating modules during service and repairs. Rugedraw noticed after the bed camera service that the dealer had updated all the modules I needed for BC1.4, so I only needed to make the FORScan changes. What a difference - It's like driving a different truck! I've made a number of other changes now that Rugedraw has turned me into a FORScan junkie!?

Thanks to all - Cheers!?

 

[Snakebitten]

One truck at a time.

 

[Khal]

I want to give a shout-out to @Khal for starting this thread and to the rest of you who have contributed, especially @rugedraw who helped me tremendously to get BC1.4 working with guiding me through my first nervous experiences of playing with FORScan. Of course, @Livnitup 's tutorials and spreadsheets are invaluable.

My path was a bit different than the rest of you in that I needed my bed camera replaced right at the time I came up on the Mongoose lending list. My local dealer has been very good with updating modules during service and repairs. Rugedraw noticed after the bed camera service that the dealer had updated all the modules I needed for BC1.4, so I only needed to make the FORScan changes. What a difference - It's like driving a different truck! I've made a number of other changes now that Rugedraw has turned me into a FORScan junkie!?

Thanks to all - Cheers!?

Cheers mate!! The reason for starting this thread has been fully realized and hopefully will continue to serve several more. Love the community here. Lets goooooooooooooooooooo

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