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Absolutely! ^^^

Ford is sandbagging I tell ya.
Because they can.
Because nobody has counterpunched yet.
5 years and still crickets.
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The HV batt id warranteed for 8 yrs. right?

What are the odds that around that time, an upgraded batt is available for sale?
 

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It'd be very unlikely that Ford would make an upgraded HV battery that's backwards compatible with the trucks from previous years.

I'd LOVE to eat crow if/when Ford releases a larger battery equipped Powerboost though. In fact, I'd eat a 10X's portion!
 

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The HV batt id warranteed for 8 yrs. right?

What are the odds that around that time, an upgraded batt is available for sale?
Even then it's highly unlikely that Ford will ever offer a higher capacity battery solution for the 14th gen PB. This is especially true since it's not something the owner could simply swap out or plug in.

Absolutely! ^^^

Ford is sandbagging I tell ya.
Because they can.
Because nobody has counterpunched yet.
5 years and still crickets.
Ford likely won't make any significant changes to the Powerboost or PBoB platform until some stiff competition is out for it like the Ram Charger (if it ever comes to market) My bet is that the next iteration of Powerboost won't be for the F150 either but instead will be on the F250+ platform. Likely having double the EV motor output and a significantly larger HV battery.
 

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Even then it's highly unlikely that Ford will ever offer a higher capacity battery solution for the 14th gen PB. This is especially true since it's not something the owner could simply swap out or plug in.



Ford likely won't make any significant changes to the Powerboost or PBoB platform until some stiff competition is out for it like the Ram Charger (if it ever comes to market) My bet is that the next iteration of Powerboost won't be for the F150 either but instead will be on the F250+ platform. Likely having double the EV motor output and a significantly larger HV battery.
I think it all hinges on if the Powerboost is a perpetual option in the F150 lineup.

If Ford is building Powerboost F150's in the Gen15 release, then I personally believe it could get an updated version of the inaugural EV package of components.
 

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Well the good thing is Ford does consider the PB a success based on sales numbers so hopefully it will still be available in the next generation.
 

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A larger HV battery would be cool and all, but it would eat so much into the payload capacity that I think it becomes counter productive. I'd guesstime a 10KWh battery pack weights in around 200 lbs maybe? compared to however much the current smaller one is.

It's not much maybe, but it's something. I think Ford would really need to work on beefing up whatever it takes to increase the payload of the half tons.

I got my F150 so I could tow a heavier trailer that my 2004 Tundra just couldn't (and I've been using a F350 just for that purpose). Dry weight is 7040# and I'd guess with a full tank of water (we boondock, so that's important) and all the gear we're probably up there around 7700-7800#. I was crunching the numbers after a recent cat scale visit and it's tight... it'll work, but I didn't have as much leeway as I thought I would, and it all comes down to that payload capacity.

My tongue weight was a bit too high, by nearly 200# (it was 920# instead of a target of 700# if I wanted to hit right at 10%) so I need to rebalance some load in the trailer itself. Turns out I have a ton of crap in there I rarely use, and because the 350 didn't even blink at it, I let it slide. Now I have to worry about those extra pounds. :)
 

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A larger HV battery would be cool and all, but it would eat so much into the payload capacity that I think it becomes counter productive. I'd guesstime a 10KWh battery pack weights in around 200 lbs maybe? compared to however much the current smaller one is.

It's not much maybe, but it's something. I think Ford would really need to work on beefing up whatever it takes to increase the payload of the half tons.

I got my F150 so I could tow a heavier trailer that my 2004 Tundra just couldn't (and I've been using a F350 just for that purpose). Dry weight is 7040# and I'd guess with a full tank of water (we boondock, so that's important) and all the gear we're probably up there around 7700-7800#. I was crunching the numbers after a recent cat scale visit and it's tight... it'll work, but I didn't have as much leeway as I thought I would, and it all comes down to that payload capacity.

My tongue weight was a bit too high, by nearly 200# (it was 920# instead of a target of 700# if I wanted to hit right at 10%) so I need to rebalance some load in the trailer itself. Turns out I have a ton of crap in there I rarely use, and because the 350 didn't even blink at it, I let it slide. Now I have to worry about those extra pounds. :)
True, as long as Ford stuck with the 7350 GVW. But that's just something they choose to sandbag on. They can increase GVW almost effortlessly if they wanted to.
My brother's 2018 F150 (HDPP) has a GVW 7850

That's 500lbs left on the table.
 

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A larger HV battery would be cool and all, but it would eat so much into the payload capacity that I think it becomes counter productive. I'd guesstime a 10KWh battery pack weights in around 200 lbs maybe? compared to however much the current smaller one is.

It's not much maybe, but it's something. I think Ford would really need to work on beefing up whatever it takes to increase the payload of the half tons.

I got my F150 so I could tow a heavier trailer that my 2004 Tundra just couldn't (and I've been using a F350 just for that purpose). Dry weight is 7040# and I'd guess with a full tank of water (we boondock, so that's important) and all the gear we're probably up there around 7700-7800#. I was crunching the numbers after a recent cat scale visit and it's tight... it'll work, but I didn't have as much leeway as I thought I would, and it all comes down to that payload capacity.

My tongue weight was a bit too high, by nearly 200# (it was 920# instead of a target of 700# if I wanted to hit right at 10%) so I need to rebalance some load in the trailer itself. Turns out I have a ton of crap in there I rarely use, and because the 350 didn't even blink at it, I let it slide. Now I have to worry about those extra pounds. :)
I'm really close on the payload number too but it is so worth it, especially for boondockers.

And as Snake has repeatedly pointed out, whatever hit to payload the PB has, lugging a generator and fuel around, isn't weightless either.

I'd go as far to say that I'd do whatever it took, to stay in a F150 PB. If that meant choosing a lower trim and fewer options, or a smaller trailer, or both, so be it.
 

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My tongue weight was a bit too high, by nearly 200# (it was 920# instead of a target of 700# if I wanted to hit right at 10%) so I need to rebalance some load in the trailer itself. Turns out I have a ton of crap in there I rarely use, and because the 350 didn't even blink at it, I let it slide. Now I have to worry about those extra pounds. :)
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There's always Ozempic..
I knew I left that punchline dangling. :)

I pulled out a bunch of stuff from the trailer that had accumulated over the years, weighing items as they came out.

I think it was about 48# of gear from the front passthrough that I'm calling "unnecessary" especially when boondocking (extension cords and hoses for example). And incredibly I pulled out 25# of puzzles from a storage bin. Yes, good old jigsaw puzzles. I enjoy doing them when camping, but why do we need so many? I anticipate a "discussion" over some of the items I'm taking out. LOL
 

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Maybe the upcoming RamCharger is the answer. They seem to have taken care of the payload issues and more.
 

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and I'd guess with a full tank of water (we boondock, so that's important)
You should just pack a bunch of these to save weight:

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As far as battery size, the really low hanging fruit is the first full stop from whatever speed you brake from.

Already diminishing by the second full stop that it can store.

Add to that a strong acceleration or two in which the electric motor fills in while the turbos spin up.

There's a theoretical case in which the running at a heavier throttle than the driver requests produces enough electric that it's more efficient that way, but I don't know that any hybrid currently on the road currently fits that. This seems more likely to be a benefit on a serial hybrid like the ramcharger that packs battery capacity (not just a couple of times as much. In this case, the engine could only ever run at its peak efficiency, as it's speed is completely disconnected from the speed of the vehicle.

There could be a similar advantage during generation to run longer bursts of ICE between longer runs of battery, but the proportional run time is going to stay the same, so I doubt either extra efficiency or extra wear on the starting system (given the frequent off/on of the ie while driving).

Finally, there is the case of long downhill runs followed by going back up. It's quite likely that some users would frequently benefit from this scenario, but what portion?
 

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^^^ this

You shouldn't be too surprised if you are taxing that little tiny 1.5 KWH high voltage battery at a rate that would require it to continuously charged anyway.

Or put another way, if the ICE was going to be required to run 1 minute on, one minute off, I bet it's healthier in the long run to just keep it running?

The 7.2KW inverter is a FANTASTIC inverter, in my opinion. I use it for days at a time. Performs like a champ. But that tiny little buffer, the high voltage battery, is definitely a limiting factor on ICE recharge demand cycles. Even a conservative increase in size would greatly improve the threshold for requiring the ICE to run continuously.
So far, PB has run continuously only a few times, and that was my fault. I had left either the heater or AC in the cabin on. When I've made sure nothing was left on, it's worked like it's supposed to, 1 to 2 minutes every 20 minutes or so. I will use it from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning.

Also, same thing when I powered 2 RV 's at the same time.
 

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So far, PB has run continuously only a few times, and that was my fault. I had left either the heater or AC in the cabin on. When I've made sure nothing was left on, it's worked like it's supposed to, 1 to 2 minutes every 20 minutes or so. I will use it from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning.

Also, same thing when I powered 2 RV 's at the same time.
I've seen some post say it can be caused by heat under the hood. Some posts state to pop the hood to vent. I had this that happened once when I was boondocking and came out at 6am to find my truck not cycling off/on. Drawing to many amps can cause the truck to not cycle too.
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