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[HammaMan]

I guess I see system controls as one thing, and all other aspects of driving decisions wholly another. Can the computer avoid that pothole, even it it means crossing into the oncoming lane when safe to do so? Does it understand proper positioning on the road, braking point, apex, acceleration? Does it know that although the road is posted at 50 MPH, it was designed for 70 and is comfortably driven at 65? Does it know that even the posted 50 MPH may not be safe in the rain? A hard rain? Snow? Ice? Does it see that deer trying to decide ito cross? I'll concede that there are places and people where and for whom ADAS might be desirable. I'll also concede that many drivers simply aren't capable of making the decisions noted either. But I'm not one of them.

This reminds me of how happy I am to live in a place where, when it comes to getting from point A to point B, the computer can't do it better: no lines to lane mind, many of the mapped roads are closed seasonally (something lost to the mapping companies) and even if they aren't closed, are to be avoided at certain times of the year (read: mud season), let alone the decision making necessary to make a safe enjoyable ride.

I think you're missing the bigger picture. It will have the knowledge of just about every vehicle that's traversed a given stretch of road up until the point you passed. It will know about variables in the road that have changed since the last time you passed. This is stuff we can do today, BUT, the limiting factor right now is having to rely on humans for the fidelity, and as a result the bad actors who, for no other reason than to do it, can poison the data. Current traffic mapping relies on 'heard' activities (and its better data than the govt has access to). If you pull over on the highway it can indicate that to other drivers, they just don't because it'd 'spookily' reveal just how much granular data exists.

Phones already record every step you take, even your elevation data. It knows where you are in your house. "Smart' buildings monitor granular data to predict equipment failures by analyzing current draw on motors. They find patterns humans don't know to look for. Take for instance this story from 13+ years ago https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmi...teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/ . Ignorance may be bliss, but it doesn't change the state of things. Ai can follow 'anonymous' users across the internet simply analyzing one's grammar patterns.

There's ai powered 'tag readers' (used loosely) popping up everywhere that look at and characterize vehicles (color, make, model). I'm out in the country and I see them at every bottleneck. No doubt that locations are chosen by ai analytics of maps. Even traffic lights are controlling traffic by watching cars. Its cheaper than magnetic loops and isn't bothered by road construction. A lot of this is kept quiet because there's always privacy backlash from the population because of high (and likely) abuse potential.

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[Groovicles]

Oh come on…watch the video again by JerryRig. There was nothing that can be peeled by hand. And then watch the FOLLOW-UP video by that same guy when he visited Tesla repair shop and see the design that went into CT.

CT rear end design is actually Impressive. The thought that went into it for repairs etc is amazing.

Just be open-minded man. On the one hand, CT rear end ”issue” was after REPEATED abuse by a contruction crew EXCEEDING the federal requirement. On the other hand, F150 rear HD axle let loose with no abuse AND, worst, unpredictable. Not sure your argument holds water.

See the rear CT design from the very guy who abuse the CT rear end:

You may also want to watch the 3 dozen or so videos of owners actually peeling off paneling with their hands and that may perhaps give you a more holistic appreciation of the trouble people are having with these vehicles. Also note, the construction crew did the same thing to the F150. Glue just won't do it, no matter how cool we're told it is, so I'll stick with proper welding instead. I also know more than a few people who are also very keen on new technology and innovation and have purchased the CT (these are folks who have enough money and interest to purchase vehicles like this AND retrofit their homes to take advantage of the generator capabilities right after). They're complaints are very similar to all other EV's in that the promise of an amazing vehicle is there, but all the short cuts and poor design decisions bring that promise down to a crashing reality. Personally, I was all for buying an EV pick up but I believe I was wise in not jumping the gun on it as these EV trucks are just not where they need to be yet in order to be useful or reliable, FSD or no FSD.

 

[Tigmd99]

You may also want to watch the 3 dozen or so videos of owners actually peeling off paneling with their hands and that may perhaps give you a more holistic appreciation of the trouble people are having with these vehicles. Also note, the construction crew did the same thing to the F150. Glue just won't do it, no matter how cool we're told it is, so I'll stick with proper welding instead. I also know more than a few people who are also very keen on new technology and innovation and have purchased the CT (these are folks who have enough money and interest to purchase vehicles like this AND retrofit their homes to take advantage of the generator capabilities right after). They're complaints are very similar to all other EV's in that the promise of an amazing vehicle is there, but all the short cuts and poor design decisions bring that promise down to a crashing reality. Personally, I was all for buying an EV pick up but I believe I was wise in not jumping the gun on it as these EV trucks are just not where they need to be yet in order to be useful or reliable, FSD or no FSD.

Brand new design. Ground up. Sure there will be issues. First gen issues. BUT, those panels were recalled and now fix. Ford never had a recall?

Ford and other OEMs also use glue and adhesives for their panels. What generation is F150 that we have? 14th? And yet we still have recalls.

Is tesla perfect? Of course not. Neither is Ford nor Toyota. TBH, i bought my F150 for ONE reason…the generator. Love it. Without that feature, i would have gotten another brand. Sorry, it is true. I did not buy the F150 for its stellar quality nor reliabilty. I bought it for feature(s) that i am looking for.

Same reason why i am looking at Tesla…for a features (in this case, FSD and low maintenance cost).

 

[Larrymoe]

You may also want to watch the 3 dozen or so videos of owners actually peeling off paneling with their hands and that may perhaps give you a more holistic appreciation of the trouble people are having with these vehicles. Also note, the construction crew did the same thing to the F150. Glue just won't do it, no matter how cool we're told it is, so I'll stick with proper welding instead. I also know more than a few people who are also very keen on new technology and innovation and have purchased the CT (these are folks who have enough money and interest to purchase vehicles like this AND retrofit their homes to take advantage of the generator capabilities right after). They're complaints are very similar to all other EV's in that the promise of an amazing vehicle is there, but all the short cuts and poor design decisions bring that promise down to a crashing reality. Personally, I was all for buying an EV pick up but I believe I was wise in not jumping the gun on it as these EV trucks are just not where they need to be yet in order to be useful or reliable, FSD or no FSD.

Look, you're never going to convince a Tesla person that it isn't the greatest thing ever made in the history of ever.

Hell, my co worker that owns one once told me about how he can make his horn make fart noises.

You can't convince tech heads that stupid shit like that is stupid.

 

[Larrymoe]

but the cost that noone factors in when considering the cybertruck is the huge amount you have to spend on bleach, so you can wash out your eyes after each tie you look upon its Ugliness!

Or, you know, its' lack of functionality as a truck.

 

[Snakebitten]

Look, you're never going to convince a Tesla person that it isn't the greatest thing ever made in the history of ever.

Hell, my co worker that owns one once told me about how he can make his horn make fart noises.

You can't convince tech heads that stupid shit like that is stupid.

I think you might be surprised by the number of previous Tesla owners that now drive other Make/Models. And there are many who are just plain level headed and will share their likes, dislikes, and comparisons to the vehicle they chose to replace the Tesla with.

Tesla, just the word, invites a fair share of stereotyping and generalization. And a huge quantity of hyperbole!
But that just distracts from the legitimacy of the product. Tesla changed the automotive industry worldwide. In some fantastic ways, as well as some unfortunate.

 

[Tigmd99]

Look, you're never going to convince a Tesla person that it isn't the greatest thing ever made in the history of ever.

Hell, my co worker that owns one once told me about how he can make his horn make fart noises.

You can't convince tech heads that stupid shit like that is stupid.

never owned one.

 

[TheGoatman]

The Silverado EV is the best of the three imo. I’m considering the trade myself at the moment

is it 480 mile range now?

 

[Larrymoe]

never owned one.

No, but you sure love them.

He'll, your enthusiasm for them, even though you've never had one, is even weirder.

 

[Larrymoe]

I think you might be surprised by the number of previous Tesla owners that now drive other Make/Models. And there are many who are just plain level headed and will share their likes, dislikes, and comparisons to the vehicle they chose to replace the Tesla with.

Tesla, just the word, invites a fair share of stereotyping and generalization. And a huge quantity of hyperbole!
But that just distracts from the legitimacy of the product. Tesla changed the automotive industry worldwide. In some fantastic ways, as well as some unfortunate.

I don't consider those the kind of "Tesla people" I'm talking about. I'm talking the crazy ones.

 

[Tigmd99]

No, but you sure love them.

He'll, your enthusiasm for them, even though you've never had one, is even weirder.

Call me weird. I guess that i appreciated the FSD because i witness something that is so far advance that is a gamechanger.

Just like i love my Ford truck because of the generator! Generator on a truck, like FSD, is a gamechanger.

 

[Larrymoe]

Call me weird. I guess that i appreciated the FSD because i witness something that is so far advance that is a gamechanger.

Just like i love my Ford truck because of the generator! Generator on a truck, like FSD, is a gamechanger.

I could have a generator in my truck too if I put it in the bed.

 

[Snakebitten]

I don't consider those the kind of "Tesla people" I'm talking about. I'm talking the crazy ones.

Ummmmm
We have our fair share of F150 crazies. ?

I know. I can often be one

 

[Larrymoe]

Ummmmm
We have our fair share of F150 crazies. ?

I know. I can often be one

Oh, I know. I don't get them either.

 

[2515050]

Every single winter you'll see 1 or 2 of these sitting in a field all burnt up. They catch the dry fields on fire and then burn in the fire they caused. At least one of them almost killed the farmer because he had fallen asleep inside.

3 years ago in the spring it was a tractor (this is the one that almost killed the guy). 2 years ago a combine. Last fall it was two.

This sounds more like they were missing a grounding cable or chain than something to do with software or EH controls unless I'm missing something.

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