New Tundra Engines Blowing Up

[Eighthtry]

I'm not sure what all of this crap means, but it seems to be an opportunity to buy Toyota Trucks cheap, put an LS in them, and accumulate another 250,000 miles on it.

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[Natetroknot]

I had a 2005 Tundra with the old 4.7 V8. I put 245,000 miles on it before I traded it in on my 2023 PB. It was kind of a gas hog but the engine was bullet proof. Ran the same as the day I bought it and no oil leaks or oil burn.

I wish I didn’t have a problem and could keep a vehicle a while. My 2000 Hundy had the same motor, paired with a 4 speed auto. With full time 4wd she was thirsty as hell but like you said, bulletproof. I drove it to almost 200k problem free (timing belt and all related replaced at 100k) and sold it. Still running strong around town several years later and who knows how many miles.

You talk about a well built, well engineered machine! I seriously wouldn’t want a new Landcruiser if it was free!

 

[Pedaldude]

Come on, If someone gave me a new Landcruiser for free, I would totally take it! The Tundra has never been a big seller for Toyota and they haven’t offered one that would appeal to me for a while now.

Everyone also shouldn’t forget that a Toyota spokesperson told customers that if they want a hybrid with a built in generator, to buy a Powerboost! That Toyota customers would rather save money.

Toyota has plenty of headroom with their CAFE numbers that they could easily have afforded keeping normally aspirated engines in their trucks for a few more years. They always try and milk the most time out of their platforms though and we’re going to see how their gamble pays off in the coming years. It seems like with the new generation full-size and mid-size trucks and SUVs, Toyota tried to do the least while charging the most!

Tacoma owners pretty much always depended on resale value, reliability and simplicity but who knows what becomes of the current generation from Toyota. Ford still offers a naturally aspirated V8, even after making their twin turbo V6 trucks for over a decade. That is something Toyota should have paid attention to. Toyota could have saved face with a V8 still being offered in the Tundra. When you only rely on one engine design and it has problems; it reflects on your entire brand. Bringing back the 4.0 V6 for the Tacoma would have been a great move too and they could have limited it to certain trims or just the manual transmission. Engine options are a good thing. Not everyone wants a turbo 4 or 6, even if it’s faster or gets better MPG on paper.

Toyota got greedy and cheap with their new trucks. No matter what the shills are saying in automotive media, the new Tacoma is an overpriced disappointment, I took a long test ride in one and the seats were even more uncomfortable than the 2021 that I also drove around for a while. My legs hurt for the rest of the day after driving the 2024 and the turbo whine and wind noise on the highway was super annoying. The kicker is that the 2024 Tacoma I drove had an MSRP of $50,000!!! You can get a Supercrew F-150 STX with the V8 for the same price! Toyota have lost their minds and so have Tacoma owners who have been paying the crazy prices for their midsize trucks. The Ranger isn’t that much better but at least you can get a V6 if you really want one.

 

[Pelican]

Nope. Toyota fanboys are the worst, and their POS Tundra hybrid was a straight up PowerBoost ripoff to start with. Wonderfully it fails to meet the PB standards for performance, efficiency, and utility, and now it’s unreliable too!
Look down on my domestic vehicle choice eh? Is that your main bearing I hear?

Could not have said it better.

 

[Natetroknot]

Come on, If someone gave me a new Landcruiser for free, I would totally take it! The Tundra has never been a big seller for Toyota and they haven’t offered one that would appeal to me for a while now.

Everyone also shouldn’t forget that a Toyota spokesperson told customers that if they want a hybrid with a built in generator, to buy a Powerboost! That Toyota customers would rather save money.

Toyota has plenty of headroom with their CAFE numbers that they could easily have afforded keeping normally aspirated engines in their trucks for a few more years. They always try and milk the most time out of their platforms though and we’re going to see how their gamble pays off in the coming years. It seems like with the new generation full-size and mid-size trucks and SUVs, Toyota tried to do the least while charging the most!

Tacoma owners pretty much always depended on resale value, reliability and simplicity but who knows what becomes of the current generation from Toyota. Ford still offers a naturally aspirated V8, even after making their twin turbo V6 trucks for over a decade. That is something Toyota should have paid attention to. Toyota could have saved face with a V8 still being offered in the Tundra. When you only rely on one engine design and it has problems; it reflects on your entire brand. Bringing back the 4.0 V6 for the Tacoma would have been a great move too and they could have limited it to certain trims or just the manual transmission. Engine options are a good thing. Not everyone wants a turbo 4 or 6, even if it’s faster or gets better MPG on paper.

Toyota got greedy and cheap with their new trucks. No matter what the shills are saying in automotive media, the new Tacoma is an overpriced disappointment, I took a long test ride in one and the seats were even more uncomfortable than the 2021 that I also drove around for a while. My legs hurt for the rest of the day after driving the 2024 and the turbo whine and wind noise on the highway was super annoying. The kicker is that the 2024 Tacoma I drove had an MSRP of $50,000!!! You can get a Supercrew F-150 STX with the V8 for the same price! Toyota have lost their minds and so have Tacoma owners who have been paying the crazy prices for their midsize trucks. The Ranger isn’t that much better but at least you can get a V6 if you really want one.

True. I'd take one for free but she'd be on Bring a Trailer as soon as the paperwork was in my name. The MSRP of a Tacoma is straight up bananas. Couldn't agree more. This will be the first generation of the Tacoma that I won't buy new. I won't speculate on what room the Company had with CAFE standards, but if f the corporation hasn't been backed into this corner and revamped their truck and large SUV lineup hastily, ahead of "schedule", and without due diligence on their own free will.......well, as they say: stupid is supposed to hurt!

 

[HammaMan]

Everyone also shouldn’t forget that a Toyota spokesperson told customers that if they want a hybrid with a built in generator, to buy a Powerboost! That Toyota customers would rather save money.

Yet the new hybrid drivetrain showing up in all of their trucks and SUVs (sans tundra) comes with a...
wait for it


A 2.4kW 120v 20 amp inverter that runs off of the HV system. Amazing how they went from "our customers don't want that" to suddenly going oprah on their hybrids -- You get an inverter and you get an inverter -- EVERYONE GETS AN INVERTER!

Not sure why, I mean what SUV / Truck owner would want to have a full 20a 120v circuit with them. Running any common household appliance / tool / TV/game system anywhere you vehicle is couldn't at all, have utility. Truth is most people have only experienced a shitty half-baked 3-400w "inverter" and have found very little utility in them because they can only run a tool battery charger or a laptop while not actually outputting their spec'd wattage. Once enough people experience having a full-power home circuit everywhere their vehicle is, not having one could be a deal killer. I'm not talking ford's embarrassing 2kW system either, that should be replaced entirely. That thing is so bad, they should man-up and recall that trash and replace it with one that actually works WITH an apology.

I'm betting once enough of them get into customer hands and they get feedback about keeping fridges/freezers running in blackouts, while also keeping some TV/lights on, they'll be marketing the hell out of it.

 

[Kodiak]

I have a feeling the ram approach is going to also have some teething issues as well. They'll end up with better products in the long run, but buyer beware for the next couple model years.

I have said all along the even if they hit a home run with the Ramcharger, MY 2027 would be the first to consider unless you do not mind a few issues. I am sure there will be teething issues but sadly that is usually the price for new tech. It is how they work through them that matters more to me. I would like to see how Ram handles these issues.

How does the battery charging work when you have exhausted the battery and are sitting in a parking lot in the sun waiting or working. I love Fords run ICE for 1.5 or 2 minutes, ICE shuts off and battery power runs your AC and radio for the next 8 - 10 minutes before the ICE kicks back in.

Will it have regenerative braking and to what degree. I bet it will since it is made for longer battery powered hauls. This takes some getting used to. I do not like the feeling of the brakes lightly being applied when you take your foot off the gas. I am sure you get used to it but with the limited driving I have done with it, I did not like it.

 

[HammaMan]

I have said all along the even if they hit a home run with the Ramcharger, MY 2027 would be the first to consider unless you do not mind a few issues. I am sure there will be teething issues but sadly that is usually the price for new tech. It is how they work through them that matters more to me. I would like to see how Ram handles these issues.

How does the battery charging work when you have exhausted the battery and are sitting in a parking lot in the sun waiting or working. I love Fords run ICE for 1.5 or 2 minutes, ICE shuts off and battery power runs your AC and radio for the next 8 - 10 minutes before the ICE kicks back in.

Will it have regenerative braking and to what degree. I bet it will since it is made for longer battery powered hauls. This takes some getting used to. I do not like the feeling of the brakes lightly being applied when you take your foot off the gas. I am sure you get used to it but with the limited driving I have done with it, I did not like it.

Given its large battery size it will work just like an EV in all aspects w/ full regen / full EV driving. Given that the generator is a 130kW rated unit, it will likely be able to run for 4 minutes and sit for an hour before it needs more juice. That really depends on the quality of the battery -- given its battery size, there will be a minimum SOC requirement for being able to hit ~2c charging. I suspect however they will have an optimized max fuel-efficiency charging capability if desired, an ECO mode of sorts. Under normal conditions that range extender shouldn't be needed at all though. Every morning it should have ~140 miles or so of range and an already 'cool' cabin wouldn't need but 3kWh running the AC for an hour. The PB only stores about .67kWh per run time, so extrapolate that out to an hour for ICE run-time calculation and divide the minutes by 3 for a rough equivalent. Aka, not very long at all.

 

[Polo08816]

They are too porky. Even the 437 HP/583 lb ft hybrid runs a slower 1/4 mile than my 5.0L N/A V8 F-150. My cousin is also averaging around 17.6 MPG with the hybrid tundra compared to my 19.5 MPG on the 5.0. If it’s slower and gets worse fuel economy than a modernized V8 just build a new V8 lol. All that money spent for a worse performing powertrain…..I digress. Anyway, the rest of the truck is nice. It’s got a luxury feeling interior and imo handles pretty well. The chassis also looks solid on it.

My gripe with Toyota is that there is no way I’m spending that much money without being able to custom order my vehicle.

 

[Natetroknot]

My gripe with Toyota is that there is no way I’m spending that much money without being able to custom order my vehicle.

That’s an unfortunate downside to their process control. It definitely has consequences for them, but the return for consumers is world class dependability. At least it was!

I’ve never left a Toyota stock, except the wife’s Prius because why, and what can you do to the thing anyway. Their trucks & SUV’s all need personalization and some tweaking to make it yours. The aftermarket serves their buyers well, and potentially voiding warranties is statistically less dangerous with the brand.

My F150? She’s perfect off the lot and unmolested, aside from a rear block removal. Won’t even add a catch can. First time leaving a vehicle alone, and first time I shelled out for an ESP.

Every brand has a niche it seems.

 

[Jerome10]

Toyota will figure this out. Unfortunate, sure. Every automaker ends up with recalls. Again, unfortunate, but it happens.

To me this is really example 1,362 why you don't buy a recently redesigned model. I don't care what company it is. And extra super doubly so when it involved all-new engines and transmissions (or other expensive stuff)

 

[Samson16]

Toyota will figure this out. Unfortunate, sure. Every automaker ends up with recalls. Again, unfortunate, but it happens.

Replace Toyota and insert Ford in that statement.

 

[powerboatr]

I have said all along the even if they hit a home run with the Ramcharger, MY 2027 would be the first to consider unless you do not mind a few issues. I am sure there will be teething issues but sadly that is usually the price for new tech. It is how they work through them that matters more to me. I would like to see how Ram handles these issues.

How does the battery charging work when you have exhausted the battery and are sitting in a parking lot in the sun waiting or working. I love Fords run ICE for 1.5 or 2 minutes, ICE shuts off and battery power runs your AC and radio for the next 8 - 10 minutes before the ICE kicks back in.

Will it have regenerative braking and to what degree. I bet it will since it is made for longer battery powered hauls. This takes some getting used to. I do not like the feeling of the brakes lightly being applied when you take your foot off the gas. I am sure you get used to it but with the limited driving I have done with it, I did not like it.

2nd paragraph is what sold me with the hybrid..my folks have a maverick
And last summer I carried them all around in over 100 f heat going to doctors. It was the cats knees and bees meow..sitting in parking lot completely chilled waiting..65f inside. Over 100 outside..
If I buy a new f150..it's a pb hands down

 

[FORDTEXAS]

some of you folks tend to forget that Toyota has been specializing in Hybrid technology for a while now..

 

[fordtruckman2003]

some of you folks tend to forget that Toyota has been specializing in Hybrid technology for a while now..

I don't think anyone has forgotten that at all. They just dropped the ball with their current implementation of it. For long time they were leading the way believing more future in hybrid than full electric. This is correct way of thinking for a country as large as ours. Police departments have been buying up Ford hybrid police interceptors for the hours of idle time without running ICE.

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