Maximize payload of PB?

[SomebodyInGNV]

Assist 2.0 is the cruise radar, steering wheel button, and possibly the IPMA, but I'm not sure if it's different. May have to run the wires for the cruise radar.

But does cruise radar exist on '21 vehicles with Assist 2.0? I'm not interested in upgrading from Assist to Active. I'm more concerned with whether '21 Assist 2.0 lacks hardware found on a '23 with Assist 2.0.

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[HammaMan]

But does cruise radar exist on '21 vehicles with Assist 2.0? I'm not interested in upgrading from Assist to Active. I'm more concerned with whether '21 Assist 2.0 lacks hardware found on a '23 with Assist 2.0.

No, same thing.

 

[SomebodyInGNV]

The '21 6.5' PB I found in CO has a sticker payload of 1550# without a hard tonneau cover, which is a hard requirement for me.

Based on 3 weights at a CAT scale, the tongue weight of my trailer (with WDH) is 900# with 60 gallons of water. I don't normally haul water but sometimes have to. With water, my current '16 5.5 500A with a sticker payload of 1736# is over its 3800# RAWR (3800#) and exactly at its 6800# GVWR.

I'll have to pass on this PB. I also need to look into what I can ditch from the truck and trailer, both. I can move a bit of cargo into the rear seat area but we'll have a dog kennel in the future so that's a limit on space. It towed very comfortably through the mountains in CO but I'd like to get under all of the weight ratings.

 

[SomebodyInGNV]

I found a '21 HDPP (not PB, obviously) with pretty much everything I wanted to order on a '22 but canceled because Ford was cutting options. The carfax report lists the issue below. Am I correct in thinking it's not unique to this truck and isn't a specific problem, if the service was done?

• Manufacturer Customer Satisfaction Program issued
  • Program #22B34 REAR AXLE HALF-SHAFT AND HUB
  • ASSEMBLY REPLACEMENT

 

[Davexxxx]

The '21 6.5' PB I found in CO has a sticker payload of 1550# without a hard tonneau cover, which is a hard requirement for me.

Based on 3 weights at a CAT scale, the tongue weight of my trailer (with WDH) is 900# with 60 gallons of water. I don't normally haul water but sometimes have to. With water, my current '16 5.5 500A with a sticker payload of 1736# is over its 3800# RAWR (3800#) and exactly at its 6800# GVWR.

I'll have to pass on this PB. I also need to look into what I can ditch from the truck and trailer, both. I can move a bit of cargo into the rear seat area but we'll have a dog kennel in the future so that's a limit on space. It towed very comfortably through the mountains in CO but I'd like to get under all of the weight ratings.

The PB has a GVWR of 7350. GAWR (F) of 4050 and (R) of 4150.

If its the same one with the window sticker you posted, it has 20" wheels which explains the sub 1600 payload.

 

[SomebodyInGNV]

The PB has a GVWR of 7350. GAWR (F) of 4050 and (R) of 4150.

If its the same one with the window sticker you posted, it has 20" wheels which explains the sub 1600 payload.

It is.

 

[HammaMan]

The '21 6.5' PB I found in CO has a sticker payload of 1550# without a hard tonneau cover, which is a hard requirement for me.

Based on 3 weights at a CAT scale, the tongue weight of my trailer (with WDH) is 900# with 60 gallons of water. I don't normally haul water but sometimes have to. With water, my current '16 5.5 500A with a sticker payload of 1736# is over its 3800# RAWR (3800#) and exactly at its 6800# GVWR.

I'll have to pass on this PB. I also need to look into what I can ditch from the truck and trailer, both. I can move a bit of cargo into the rear seat area but we'll have a dog kennel in the future so that's a limit on space. It towed very comfortably through the mountains in CO but I'd like to get under all of the weight ratings.

That's the PB's gimped sticker for ya. If it was any other F150 the payload would have another 350-450lbs of payload on the sticker.

 

[EricR]

I found a '21 HDPP (not PB, obviously) with pretty much everything I wanted to order on a '22 but canceled because Ford was cutting options. The carfax report lists the issue below. Am I correct in thinking it's not unique to this truck and isn't a specific problem, if the service was done?

• Manufacturer Customer Satisfaction Program issued
  • Program #22B34 REAR AXLE HALF-SHAFT AND HUB
  • ASSEMBLY REPLACEMENT

If the truck has Max Tow, then you are pretty much correct.

Of course, it's not 100% guaranteed the head of the axle bolt won't shear off again.

Our 21 Lariat PB doesn't have Max Tow - thus I've not been following this issue super close. So, it might make sense for you to search and read through these forums for "axle bolt" to make sure, but I haven't read of a repeat occurrence, or of owners stranded by this issue.

Others may know better.

If the truck doesn't have Max Tow I am of no help. ?

 

[SomebodyInGNV]

... So, it might make sense for you to search and read through these forums for "axle bolt" to make sure, but I haven't read of a repeat occurrence, or of owners stranded by this issue. ...

I found a long thread elsewhere. Ford is doing the service only if the bolt is actually broken. It doesn't seem ideal but I gather that it hasn't resulted in major accidents and that there will be a general recall when more parts are available. These are the same axles that led to production delays for lack of parts when Ford underestimated demand.

 

[Samson16]

That's the PB's gimped sticker for ya. If it was any other F150 the payload would have another 350-450lbs of payload on the sticker.

Apparently there is a unicorn PB out there with a #2120 payload. Mine is #1624 and I'm starting to feel better about it lol.

 

[Aron]

If the truck has Max Tow, then you are pretty much correct.

Of course, it's not 100% guaranteed the head of the axle bolt won't shear off again.

Our 21 Lariat PB doesn't have Max Tow - thus I've not been following this issue super close. So, it might make sense for you to search and read through these forums for "axle bolt" to make sure, but I haven't read of a repeat occurrence, or of owners stranded by this issue.

Others may know better.

If the truck doesn't have Max Tow I am of no help. ?

If I recall correctly, all HDPP trucks are Max Tow by default. And the Max Tow trucks have a reputation of shearing the axle bolts off, which usually requires an axle replacement. (It's not clear if the reputation is completely earned; certainly there are reports of it happening, but it's still unclear how prevalent the issue REALLY is, since posts on internet forums are hardly a valid sample size.)

 

[Aron]

The '21 6.5' PB I found in CO has a sticker payload of 1550# without a hard tonneau cover, which is a hard requirement for me.

Based on 3 weights at a CAT scale, the tongue weight of my trailer (with WDH) is 900# with 60 gallons of water. I don't normally haul water but sometimes have to. With water, my current '16 5.5 500A with a sticker payload of 1736# is over its 3800# RAWR (3800#) and exactly at its 6800# GVWR.

I'll have to pass on this PB. I also need to look into what I can ditch from the truck and trailer, both. I can move a bit of cargo into the rear seat area but we'll have a dog kennel in the future so that's a limit on space. It towed very comfortably through the mountains in CO but I'd like to get under all of the weight ratings.

You could maybe ditch that 60 gallons of water? Seriously--water is about 8.5 lbs per gallon, so that's 500 lbs of trailer weight (and probably 50-75 lbs of tongue weight) that you could avoid. Or at least maybe only fill it up part way for when you're planning on traveling.

I have the same issue with my trailer--we don't have the weight capacity to carry anything in the tanks. My trailer frame is not designed as well as I would like. When we go to camping without access to water, I end up bringing a few 7 gallon water containers (like this: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Reliance-Aqua-Tainer-Water-Storage-Container-7-Gallon/872426?athbdg=L1200) and fill them up after we park the trailer.

 

[SomebodyInGNV]

You could maybe ditch that 60 gallons of water? ...

I carry water only if there is none where we're camping, and I only carry it as far as is needed, not the entire route.

 

[SomebodyInGNV]

I found a '21 HDPP (not PB, obviously) with pretty much everything I wanted to order on a '22 but canceled because Ford was cutting options. The carfax report lists the issue below. Am I correct in thinking it's not unique to this truck and isn't a specific problem, if the service was done?

• Manufacturer Customer Satisfaction Program issued
  • Program #22B34 REAR AXLE HALF-SHAFT AND HUB
  • ASSEMBLY REPLACEMENT

Unsurprisingly, this was sold the hour before I found it.

 

[HammaMan]

Unsurprisingly, this was sold the hour before I found it.

Get the PB and don't worry about strictly adhering to a label. The PB is under-rated and its frame is stronger than the HDPP. It's stronger than everything but the raptor's. It's also a heavier truck with the mass placed exactly where you'd want it for increased stability. It'd be one thing if it was a 96% of axle weight to GVWR, but it's not. It's the most under-rated F150 ford sells.

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