How Long Do You Plan to Keep Your PowerBoost?

[RossRR]

"My PB will only make about 0.8 miles on the battery."

Wow, under what conditions?

On the flat, at 30 ish mph, I can get couple miles, at least.

I get about 0.5 miles electric driving at best from mine. I believe the reason that there are so many of us who are getting only 20 mpg out of their hybrid trucks is that the hybrid batteries are in as poor of condition as a lot of the 12V batteries the trucks come with. I suspect Ford is using a crap battery supplier. The other possibility is that the five months my truck spent sitting over winter in a parking lot in Detroit somehow damaged the batteries.

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[Kodiak]

My game plan for my 2022 PB is this.

I have never had a truck for less than 11 years and I have a 10 year 100k mile Ford ESP on this. I hope to retire in 3-5 years and travel the countries national parks with this truck. In 5 years I will probably have less than 20k miles on it.

As Snake and Hamma have said, a V2 PB or some PHEV in the future could cause my plans to change.

I have high hopes for the 2025 Ramcharger but even if it checks all the boxes, I probably would not consider this until 2027 model year. Give it a couple of year cycles to polish it up. With that said it would need to be a killer of a truck, not priced for billionaires, to make me give up this driving pleasure of a computer/generator/sofa on wheels of a truck.

 

[Dakar09]

All modern cars are "disposable appliances", unfortunately. The technology and electronics on these are not easily repaired by the home or even local mechanic, and when they stop making parts for these, good luck keeping it running. I would not keep any modern vehicle outside of it's warranty period, particularly electric or hybrid vehicles.

Gone are the days of the old reliable cars that you could keep running with zip ties, RTV, and parts from other makes/models.

 

[Snakebitten]

All modern cars are "disposable appliances", unfortunately. The technology and electronics on these are not easily repaired by the home or even local mechanic, and when they stop making parts for these, good luck keeping it running. I would not keep any modern vehicle outside of it's warranty period, particularly electric or hybrid vehicles.

Gone are the days of the old reliable cars that you could keep running with zip ties, RTV, and parts from other makes/models.

While I agree with the concept that modern technology vehicles present modern obstacles to keeping them going long into the future, I'm not sure that something built in large numbers, like a Powerboost, couldn't last many years and many miles. (for a certain kind of owner, of course)

Similar to those "good Ole days" cars/trucks, there should be lots of doner parts for the enthusiasts that want to keep it going.

What probably IS behind us is the inexpensive beater version of these kind of vehicles. But I'd argue that inexpensive vehicles altogether are becoming rare. At least those that are in good condition and have a lot of life left in them.

 

[Marty811]

So I am not the only one with a weak HVAC?! have you taken it to the dealership for that issue? Mine will not blow strong at max speed on the feet and face setting, but will do fine in one or the other. Put it on both, and all I hear is air behind the whole dash/infotainment screen etc. What is the issue with yours?

The temperature just doesn’t have that chill factor. Nothing wrong with the fan speed.
I’ve taken it in twice for this issue, the last time they added a small amount of Freon which seemed to help. Still not great.

 

[Dakar09]

While I agree with the concept that modern technology vehicles present modern obstacles to keeping them going long into the future, I'm not sure that something built in large numbers, like a Powerboost, couldn't last many years and many miles. (for a certain kind of owner, of course)

Similar to those "good Ole days" cars/trucks, there should be lots of doner parts for the enthusiasts that want to keep it going.

What probably IS behind us is the inexpensive beater version of these kind of vehicles. But I'd argue that inexpensive vehicles altogether are becoming rare. At least those that are in good condition and have a lot of life left in them.

I agree on most points. I think donor vehicles will be stripped of useful parts pretty quickly and the longevity of these batteries and specific electronics is yet to be determined. Not to say they wont' last!

I'm also not saying to dump the truck after a few years. If you can get extended warranties (good ones, not these cheap spam-email ones) or a CPO vehicle, by all means, keep the vehicle.

What concerns me is how difficult it can be to get an extended warranty on a vehicle you own (even from the dealer you bought the vehicle from) and how expensive it can be. And they seem less likely to offer full coverage CPOs on vehicles lately, as well.

 

[Samson16]

Gone are the days of the old reliable cars that you could keep running with zip ties, RTV, and parts from other makes/models.

But the duct tape and JBWeld were in use by 60k miles. Head gasket at 70k. Rings were shot by 80k. It used be a game to tell what was wrong with the car in front of you by the color of the smoke ? as it pulled away from the light.

 

[Dakar09]

And the smell...

 

[JExpedition07]

I do not believe this supposed new CDF drum has corrected the pile of crap 10R80 is. Dealers are still overhauling late build 2023s with blown up transmissions all over the web and on YouTube. My 2023 is showing signs of the CDF failure despite being after the supposed design change with the added nib. Mine slapped into reverse so hard this morning it jostled my neck and made a loud clanking sounds. It bangs, it grinds, it bumps. I HATE this transmission.

My buddies 2021 XLT F-150 with the 3.5 EcoBoost will be on its 3rd 10R80 soon with 51k miles. At first I thought a new trans would help, but his 2nd 10R80 still grinds, slaps into gear, and bangs all the same as his first one. This transmission design is a pile of dog shit.

 

[Snakebitten]

I HATE this transmission.

I can tell. ???

My brothers 10r80 is at 107,000 miles.
2018 HDPP RV towing (not real heavy)
Nephews 10r80 is at 128,000 miles.

I don't yet have a 10r80 at high mileage, but have had 3 trucks with it now. (7 years)

Quality Control during manufacturing and assembly could certainly be improved. But I could say that about........ Well, just about every product sold in the world today.

 

[JExpedition07]

It comes to base design, not QC. The 10R140 in the Super Duty is having the same issues. The dealers themselves all say most of their time is spent rebuilding 10R80’s. This transmission is not very good when compared to the GM version or Rams ZF 8 speed for reliability, we are dead last. Don’t get me wrong, 90% of the time it’s great. I like the gear ratios, I like that it doesn’t skip shift. BUT, the programming is horrendous. A 2023 truck with 20k miles should not smack into drive/reverse so hard it feels like it’s going to bust a U-joint and drop a driveshaft. That’s how mine feels when I go into reverse from park half the time. Drive a GMC with the 10L90 and you’ll ask wtf Ford is even doing. The programming is so much smoother on theirs.

 

[Severdog]

My goal is 300k miles/20 years.

I've taken other vehicles to 200K but the limiting factor to life was rust. Now that I'm in salt-free SC, I'm going to give it a shot and see if the truck or the owner wears out first.

 

[Snakebitten]

It comes to base design, not QC. The 10R140 in the Super Duty is having the same issues. The dealers themselves all say most of their time is spent rebuilding 10R80’s. This transmission is not very good when compared to the GM version or Rams ZF 8 speed for reliability, we are dead last. Don’t get me wrong, 90% of the time it’s great. I like the gear ratios, I like that it doesn’t skip shift. BUT, the programming is horrendous. A 2023 truck with 20k miles should not smack into drive/reverse so hard it feels like it’s going to bust a U-joint and drop a driveshaft. That’s how mine feels when I go into reverse from park half the time. Drive a GMC with the 10L90 and you’ll ask wtf Ford is even doing. The programming is so much smoother on theirs.

I'll agree the software falls short and leaves considerable low hanging fruit.
The potential shine of the 10r80 can be, and has been experienced by those who have had theirs tuned by a 10r80 software guru.
I did so myself with my 2018. Tuned by Matt at GearHead tuning. He has received much praise by many for just that.

I haven't yet let anyone touch my Powerboost. But that's only because with oem tuning on it, it's not irritating me enough to. At least not enough to wade into tuning waters.

 

[Davexxxx]

"I haven't yet let anyone touch my Powerboost. But that's only because with oem tuning on it, it's not irritating me enough to. At least not enough to wade into tuning waters."

Yeah, being around just 5K miles, mine is still pretty new but it has towed ~6K lbs. several times and lighter loads a few more and other than 2 caveats, I can't relate to anyone complaining about the trans.

The caveats are, I do notice it skipping second, when in normal, or eco mode but I wouldn't call it harsh. Enough to feel but not obnoxiously.

The other, is that once in a while, at a stop, I get the bump in the back. Again, not every time and so far, enough to make you look in the rearview but not enough to claim whiplash

On the other side, I read of someone complaining about no engine braking. Can't relate to that either. When in tow haul, mine definitely does engine braking on it's own. Perhaps not as aggressively as some diesels but it does it and I'm glad of it. We have trip planned across the rockies and back, which will be my first with the camper.

 

[HammaMan]

It comes to base design, not QC. The 10R140 in the Super Duty is having the same issues. The dealers themselves all say most of their time is spent rebuilding 10R80’s. This transmission is not very good when compared to the GM version or Rams ZF 8 speed for reliability, we are dead last. Don’t get me wrong, 90% of the time it’s great. I like the gear ratios, I like that it doesn’t skip shift. BUT, the programming is horrendous. A 2023 truck with 20k miles should not smack into drive/reverse so hard it feels like it’s going to bust a U-joint and drop a driveshaft. That’s how mine feels when I go into reverse from park half the time. Drive a GMC with the 10L90 and you’ll ask wtf Ford is even doing. The programming is so much smoother on theirs.

Have you tried resetting the PCM to relearn shift strategy for the hell of it? Are you still rolling in direction changes?

Maybe your 5.0 just has too much idle power

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