How is the PB more powerful?

[JJSnell]

So can someone explain to me, like Im 11yrs old how this is supposed to be...?
So the PB is supposed to be more powerful than the EB, cuz it has a battery. The battery is ridiculously small and nothing like the ultra fast Tesla Plaid, Rivian or even the Ford Lightning with true EV batteries. It also supposedly increases 30HP and 70ft lbs tq....
Well how is that even possible when the battery only lasts about 5 seconds? For me? I back out of my driveway 53ft in battery mode (Electric), put it in Drive and immediately go into engine mode.
So if I'm hauling my boat or trailer, I may get the 'boosts', temporarily but it sure as heck isnt going to be constant. And if Im on a 1/4 mile start line and I spool up those turbos, how long is that little battery going to last me when I got the pedal floored? Five feet?
I personally dont care much about the PB. It was the color and bed length I wanted in a Plat. I rarely tow, but Im just trying to understand how they stand behind this marketing... and Im a guy who is used to flowing heads and trying different valves and port sizes to maximize HPs and torque out of a little 289 closed chambered head.... Something just doesnt add up... maybe I am missing the asterisk and small fonted footnote

430hp and 570tq*

*for the first five feet of travel.

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[Snakebitten]

If the Hybrid Battery is fully charged (~63% SOC), and you go WOT on the 3.5 Ecoboost, you will get the all the Ecoboost and potentially upto ~130Amps of 285V, or near 40KW of additional power/torque.

It takes much longer than 5 seconds to reduce the SOC from 63% to ~42%

In fact, the truck would likely be hitting the speed limiter before you could draw the battery down from max<>min.

Of course you don't KNOW the SOC when you go WOT, unless you are monitoring such.

 

[JJSnell]

That much out of that little thing? Really? Why does my engine turn on, the second and I do mean SECOND I hit the gas after pulling out of my driveway? I dont hammer it, just typical neighborhood driving...

 

[Snakebitten]

I'm sure Ford chooses to switch to (include) ICE power before taxing the little electric motor at max. It certainly seems so if monitoring the Hybrid Battery output.

"Blending" the electric torque with the traditional ICE torque is likely far more seemless and gives a nicer drivability experience.

 

[ColoradoHunter]

Just watch the power flow screen and you will see when the electric motor is working with the ICE. It's working a lot more than just when it is in full electric mode.

 

[HammaMan]

Here's a really poor vid of trying to keep it in electric only manually shifting. Twitchy throttle makes it hard. It makes me save the vid vs playing it. There's only so much its little motor can do with a 6klb truck, particularly that still short-shifts in electric only. The trans shifts based on load demand, and keeping it in electric only requires a light pedal so the trans just rolls through the gears. This is why one of the features I'd like is a button to turn ICE on/off, or if held will keep ICE off.

 

[Kodiak]

That much out of that little thing? Really? Why does my engine turn on, the second and I do mean SECOND I hit the gas after pulling out of my driveway? I dont hammer it, just typical neighborhood driving...

Because this is a Power Boost for the ICE and not an EV or hybrid with EV driving capabilities. This just assists you when you drive. If you are up to cruising speed the booster electric motor can keep the trucks momentum, and shut down the ICE, but if at some point you have to give it gas to increase your speed the ICE kicks back in. Where the PB shines is a long flat road where you get up to speed and then just glide. The ICE shuts off and the PB keeps your momentum for some electric miles instead of gas miles.

 

[Davexxxx]

To stick strictly to the question, how could it not be more powerful?

The 3.5 EB and the hybrid batt / motor combo can work together. They are additive to each other.

And while we all know there is no such thing as perpetual motion, while the batt is contributing power in a dual demand situation, some of it is being replaced by the ICE, stretching time to electric empty out some.

 

[Samson16]

Using my Kindergarten math

PB has a 47hp motor = 35kW motor
PB has a 1.5kW/hr Li-ion Battery

1500W for an hour
3000W for 30min
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90kW for 1min

35kW motor for 2.57min hypothetical one time use full charge to meltdown.

14 second quarter mile pull? Easy peasy.

 

[nrmedic]

Unlike an EB, with a PB, I rarely use boost unless I'm really getting into it. The hybrid system helps a lot!

 

[Samson16]

A long heavy tow up a grade is a worst case challenge, but it still outperforms other half ton pickups. Dissipating heat from all that power generation becomes the issue.

 

[spiritrider1]

The PB is not an EV. It's primarily an ICE with Electric support. The secondary reason is to provide the Onboard Pro Power system which I use frequently. I don't race my truck but it's satisfying to sit in a long drive-through running A/C, tunes, etc. and the ICE isn't running. But that small boost in power is nice when it becomes necessary to put some punk 'Speed Racer' wannabe in his place. MPG isn't EV good but it's better than the straight Eco Boost. Everyone's experience will depend on their driving style and purpose. Mine is mostly commuting with some haul/tow mixed in periodically. Averaging around the 23.2mpg at present.
As the song goes, "Lovin' every minute of it!"

 

[JJSnell]

The PB is not an EV. It's primarily an ICE with Electric support. The secondary reason is to provide the Onboard Pro Power system which I use frequently. I don't race my truck but it's satisfying to sit in a long drive-through running A/C, tunes, etc. and the ICE isn't running. But that small boost in power is nice when it becomes necessary to put some punk 'Speed Racer' wannabe in his place. MPG isn't EV good but it's better than the straight Eco Boost. Everyone's experience will depend on their driving style and purpose. Mine is mostly commuting with some haul/tow mixed in periodically. Averaging around the 23.2mpg at present.
As the song goes, "Lovin' every minute of it!"

I'm also getting much better gas mileage. 15 EB was 16.8 almost always. This is now 21.7-23.3 (Edited sorry not 23.9).
I guess the Q was answered that it still runs in conjunction with engine longer than I "see".
When I see "electric mode" turn off right out my driveway, I'm thinking, "well that was fun".
I just raced a little Subie the other day. Nodded at the kid and spooled up the turbos at the red light. Still beat him even tho I forgot to switch to Sport mode.

It's a great truck all in all.

 

[spiritrider1]

I'm also getting much better gas mileage. 15 EB was 16.8 almost always. This is now 21.7-23.9.
I guess the Q was answered that it still runs in conjunction with engine longer than I "see".
When I see "electric mode" turn off right out my driveway, I'm thinking, "well that was fun".
I just raced a little Subie the other day. Nodded at the kid and spooled up the turbos at the red light. Still beat him even tho I forgot to switch to Sport mode.

It's a great truck all in all.

It is fun... but loves to drink if you play! But also very frugal if driving sensibly.

Also, a note on the driving modes I've gathered from articles and personal experience - Sport mode doesn't give you more power, it just changes the shift points and duration holding gears depending on acceleration rate. It also increases throttle sensitivity which is what makes it feel more powerful. You can floor it in NORMAL or even ECO mode and it will still 'Sh*t & Git'. Same way with ECO mode, it doesn't reduce power, it just upshifts sooner, holds top gears longer before downshifting, and enables battery idle sooner/longer. Your throttle response is retarded to force a more 'leisurly' driving style.

 

[Oxford_Powerboost]

It is fun... but loves to drink if you play! But also very frugal if driving sensibly.

Also, a note on the driving modes I've gathered from articles and personal experience - Sport mode doesn't give you more power, it just changes the shift points and duration holding gears depending on acceleration rate. It also increases throttle sensitivity which is what makes it feel more powerful. You can floor it in NORMAL or even ECO mode and it will still 'Sh*t & Git'. Same way with ECO mode, it doesn't reduce power, it just upshifts sooner, holds top gears longer before downshifting, and enables battery idle sooner/longer. Your throttle response is retarded to force a more 'leisurly' driving style.

From my experience using forscan to monitor hybrid parameters - sport mode does prefer to keep the battery topped up for electric boosts which is one reason it doesn’t go into EV mode

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