CAFE Standard is History - Will the PowerBoost be cancelled

[FirstTimeFord]

"That being said, Stop/Start should be removed entirely from all ICE engines IMO. A terrible idea from the START, FULL STOP!"

I'm curious why you think that. I know its a popular viewpoint but I don't know why.

There is a vid around here somewhere, showing the fuel savings from using start stop and another, with White Papers proving that engine wear happens at load on a cold engine, not at start up so, why?

Battery drain? My Wife's Bronco Sport has it and if the battery is low, it automatically disables SS.

Just me, but SS drives me absolutely bonkers. The delays they cause at traffic lights alone are a net negative. In FL, the AC during those downtimes is not the same, no thanks. No amount of "data" will convince me that an engine is better off with SS than one without. As for fuel savings, I say drill more, lower fuel costs, and move on! Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge TSLA fan and believe EV's are the future, especially FSD. However, let ICE be ICE, and people make their own choices. Hybrids are a great choice for those who love both and the power generation that comes with owning one. I'm curious how long my starter is gonna last though, since I installed my 4D Tech Day 1.

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[Davexxxx]

I think it is very short sighted, to think that this change is permeant, or will even have that much effect on the near term, future models. It may push things back a bit but research and testing, has a pipeline that has already been budgeted. They aren't going to waste that and they won't want to give up competing with other manufactures.

We don't ever want to be in a position like the 79 oil crisis, which opened the gates for Japan's big move into US car sales and horrific, manufacturing jobs loss.

Fast forward to now and the risks aren't as high, with more domestic oil production and Japan and others making cars here but they aren't going to stop improving their cars and our domestically owned manufacturers will have to continue to compete, or lose market share.

 

[Bud23Lariat]

Don’t worry CAFE stands will be back in 3 years if they go away now.

Can you predict the future?

 

[BlueFowl]

I hope this lets us have reliable, efficient diesels for a few years without the stupid emissions crap.

 

[OneMore]

Oregon follows the emission rules of Kalifornia.

 

[crazyaa214]

"That being said, Stop/Start should be removed entirely from all ICE engines IMO. A terrible idea from the START, FULL STOP!"

I'm curious why you think that. I know its a popular viewpoint but I don't know why.

There is a vid around here somewhere, showing the fuel savings from using start stop and another, with White Papers proving that engine wear happens at load on a cold engine, not at start up so, why?

Battery drain? My Wife's Bronco Sport has it and if the battery is low, it automatically disables SS.

some or many of us spent money to install an auto start/stop eliminator just because it’s annoying. I installed one for 2025 5.0L and it’s probably the best thing I’ve done for my truck. That feature annoyed the crap out of me……. But that’s just me.

 

[Davexxxx]

All this California hate is always amusing to me.

If they were their own country, they have the 4th largest economy in the world, are net payer to the Fed Treasury (as opposed to many others) and have been in that class, for 10s of yrs. at least.

Must be doing something right.

A lot of things, actually.

 

[FirstTimeFord]

All this California hate is always amusing to me.

If they were their own country, they have the 4th largest economy in the world, are net payer to the Fed Treasury (as opposed to many others) and have been in that class, for 10s of yrs. at least.

Must be doing something right.

A lot of things, actually.

 

[PaulGrun]

It would require an act of Congress. So while it is possible, it will be difficult.

With the new Democratic Congress it should be very easy to re-instate. I hope they do.

 

[PaulGrun]

Just me, but SS drives me absolutely bonkers. The delays they cause at traffic lights alone are a net negative. In FL, the AC during those downtimes is not the same, no thanks. No amount of "data" will convince me that an engine is better off with SS than one without. As for fuel savings, I say drill more, lower fuel costs, and move on! Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge TSLA fan and believe EV's are the future, especially FSD. However, let ICE be ICE, and people make their own choices. Hybrids are a great choice for those who love both and the power generation that comes with owning one. I'm curious how long my starter is gonna last though, since I installed my 4D Tech Day 1.

What delays?
Why be resistant to data? Facts are facts, right?

FWIW, a little understood economic factoid: if petroleum supply exceeds demand by a certain threshold, the oil companies stop drilling because the ROI on each marginal barrel is net negative. It’s a result of the economics of (increasingly expensive) drilling. So “drill baby drill” may turn out to backfire pretty dramatically.

I strongly agree with you that consumers should have the choice.

as for auto stop/stsrt, Nearly every ICE-only vehicle I’ve rented lately has a dashboard switch to turn ASS on or off.

 

[UGADawg96]

I like my PB due to the power, torque, amazing stop start behavior and electric idle, 7kw geny, and it gets slightly over 20mpg. I hope Ford finds ways to improve it and make it even better.

As far as the stop start on non-PB vehicles, I loathe them.

 

[FirstTimeFord]

Careful, don't take the conversation in a direction that will get you a warning. The "P" word...

 

[Lead Foot PowerBoost]

If they keep the cadence of the last two generations (Gen 12: 09-14, Gen 13: 15-20), 2026 will be the last model year of Gen 14. I don’t own a Powerboost, but I agree. I’d like to see them take it a step further with a Plug-In version with enough range for the short trips around town (30ish miles). After upgrading our family hauler to a PHEV, I see the value in having some local electric range. An increase in PPoB capacity would be a welcome feature as well.

It was reported early this year that the next gen is likely delayed to mid-'28.

Next-Gen Ford F-150 Is Reporteldy Delayed Until 2028

 

[Trainmaster]

The only thing for certain in this environment is uncertainty. Must be very difficult running a company like Ford when the regulations and economics can change with each election. So I suppose Ford will take a middle road, keeping options open. Maybe they'll ditch some clearly unpopular losers to free up capital, but that's part of the learning curve.

Environmental myths are being exposed, energy economics are wildly changing, so not much is stable and settled.

So I predict that except for the elimination of some wildly stupid stuff, not much will change.

 

[Rineland]

It was reported early this year that the next gen is likely delayed to mid-'28.

Next-Gen Ford F-150 Is Reporteldy Delayed Until 2028

Big news, I missed that one! I guess I’m not surprised considering the supply chain struggles with this Gen. Hopefully that means more time for refinement, particularly for the hybrid powertrain.

Regarding the start-stop, that was a welcome delete on my truck. I wouldn’t mind it if it was similar to our PHEV Pacifica. It starts off the line electric and then bump starts the engine, it’s absolutely seamless. I don’t believe there’s even a traditional starter for the engine, it keeps enough reserve in the electric powertrain to roll the engine over. Even on cold days when it needs the engine for heat, the engine just seems to roll to life instead of the typical starter engagement noise. My perception is it’s one less component to wear out, I can’t imagine it’s a tall task for the electric powertrain to roll the engine to life compared to the power required to propel the entire vehicle.

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