anyone regretting getting the powerboost?

[TheDIG]

My 23 PB seems to be getting a little more 'unstable'. I've had 2 instances of the 'stop safely now'. One resolved itself in about 2 minutes, the other in about 90 minutes. I've had 2 instances where I'm driving along and all of the sudden I get an error that the key isn't detected in the vehicle. Had 1 instance of 'reverse brake assist not available'...also out of nowhere. Electrically, it seems the truck is a hot mess. I'm still under 3000 miles. Only thing I've been doing is documenting everything. My local dealer isn't any help. Thought about going back to an ecoboost or maybe even switch to a RAM but I'm sure I'll take a big loss if I trade out.

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[Snakebitten]

Reverse Brake Assist not available is going to be triggered on occasions where nothing is wrong with the truck. It almost always is a single key cycle event.

The key not being sensed is likely an easy enough fix if it's just a need for a new antenna in the console, or a loose connection there-in.

Now that Stop-Safely thing is a bit alarming, and certainly appears to have popped up suddenly and primarily on 2023.
It would definitely be a joy killer, and Ford needs to quickly figure out what they got wrong. But I'm guessing it IS getting their attention and hopefully we hear something soon regarding?

I wouldn't fault anyone for ditching their new Powerboost and buying something else. We certainly have the freedom to do so. But it seems a bit hasty to take a significant economic hit for doing so, if we are then fortunate enough to discover the culprit and the solution.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

My 23 PB seems to be getting a little more 'unstable'. I've had 2 instances of the 'stop safely now'. One resolved itself in about 2 minutes, the other in about 90 minutes. I've had 2 instances where I'm driving along and all of the sudden I get an error that the key isn't detected in the vehicle. Had 1 instance of 'reverse brake assist not available'...also out of nowhere. Electrically, it seems the truck is a hot mess. I'm still under 3000 miles. Only thing I've been doing is documenting everything. My local dealer isn't any help. Thought about going back to an ecoboost or maybe even switch to a RAM but I'm sure I'll take a big loss if I trade out.

Hi there, I'd be happy to look into your F-150 concerns on my end. Will you send us a message with your VIN and dealership info? I can look into things on my end.

 

[DerekB]

I’m supposed to be getting mine back today after 35 days at the dealer. I had the stop safely now on a 22 after 16,000 miles with no issues prior. They replaced a bunch of modules and a junction box. I’ll upload the ticket when I get it to show exactly what they did. Anyway, I hope it earns my trust back.
Wish me luck.

 

[Snakebitten]

Looking forward to your service ticket AND if you never see the issue again.

If it really is fixed, at least we will know SOMETHING they did fixed it. However, based on your description, THEY don't know which component was the solution if they swapped out several.

I'm really curious if they were able to reproduce the alert? How else would they continue to replace multiple components knowing it wasn't fixed yet?

If you are wondering why I'm interested, it's because I experienced this one time several months ago and it never returned again. The very definition of a "glitch", if you know what I mean. In my opinion there's no way to troubleshoot it if I can't reproduce it.

 

[eharri3]

I came from a 2009 Tundra Crewmax that served me well for 13 years and 113k. I was disappointed with the 2022 redesign. Smaller interior, no flat load floor, initial quality problems, "meh" looks. Weird user interface requiring profiles in the head units for different drivers that seems overly complicated and which I don't understand the point of. Toyota clearly short changed Tundra on standout features and saved them for the Tacoma because they wanted to spend the real money in the segment where they lead everyone. That's where the tow hooks and 2400 w inverter went after they swore in all the interviews Tundra buyers said they didn't want any of it in focus groups and surveys.

After going all that time without ever being Stranded by my 09 I was ready to give up my solid truck for the new smell. I'd just hit one of those periods in life where you know things are coming up that will make it hard to do for a long time. So if it's gonna happen it needs to happen now. The Toyota redesign was a disappointment so around and around it was bouncing Between Ram, Silverado, and the Ford.

Finally I settled on Ford because I owned one years ago that worked well for me, and it looked better as an overall package to me than the competitors. Runner up was a 6.2 Silverado but I was unwilling to wait for the mid Cycle update that would Handle the transmission shift quality problems and interior issues I saw when I spent time in a rental.

Over a Salesperson's incessant hassling about why I was ordering the low tech less powerful, less economical motor than all the Ecoboosts he had on the lot, I put in an order For a Coyote 5.0 in Feb 2022. Because I am a Dinosaur and I wanted people to hear my old school beast roar. Then cancelled it 3 weeks later when I found a Powerboost in my color with 99% of what I wanted on a lot. I was wowed by the performance, tech and the 7.2 kw system. Opened the tailgate, saw all the outlets, and remembered reading about Ford's involvement in the Texas power outages awhile back. .9 vs 2% financing in that moment and a few extra pennies for my trade negated most of the 4K price difference over my Lariat Mid Coyote Powered truck.

Over a year later with no troubles I took it in for the unintended tailgate opening tsb and the fix corrupted some software, putting it down for 15 days. I found it very frustrating to have gone in for a warranty fix that should have taken a day only to have my truck go haywire requiring conference calls with Dearborn engineers.] It had me seriously thinking about taking a second hard look at the Gen3 Tundra once I got it back. Once it got fixed I fell back in love with it, remembering the features and qualities that wowed me when I first got it. PP onboard, 20-plus mpg, 600-plus miles of highway range, nearly 600 lbs of torque. Straight line performance on par with my 2016 Challenger RT I got rid of. Just can't give it all up right now. I'm not there yet. I am going to get an extended warranty in the next few months and try to hold it at least 10 years.

As of this moment I have no regrets and enjoy driving it and looking at it parked out there. Just hit up the beach rental with a full bed and 3 bikes on the hitch and she was a joy to drive.

But yeah definitely gonna get 8 year Premium care with rental coverage. My dealer's one Escape loaner did the job for a couple days but I was ready to be done with it by day 10.

 

[DerekB]

The truck would not start for them either under the stop safely now. Battery control module c was first thing they did. It worked long enough for them to do oil change then stop safely now came back. He found a pin in a junction box not making connection or something like that, replaced that. Then there were other things like rear brake assist not available, and then a pre collision assist not available that they couldn’t clear until changing those associated modules. Although the manual says to drive the thing and it will clear the rear brake assist.

That’s the best account I can give of what I’ve been told so far.

 

[TheDIG]

Reverse Brake Assist not available is going to be triggered on occasions where nothing is wrong with the truck. It almost always is a single key cycle event.

The key not being sensed is likely an easy enough fix if it's just a need for a new antenna in the console, or a loose connection there-in.

Now that Stop-Safely thing is a bit alarming, and certainly appears to have popped up suddenly and primarily on 2023.
It would definitely be a joy killer, and Ford needs to quickly figure out what they got wrong. But I'm guessing it IS getting their attention and hopefully we hear something soon regarding?

I wouldn't fault anyone for ditching their new Powerboost and buying something else. We certainly have the freedom to do so. But it seems a bit hasty to take a significant economic hit for doing so, if we are then fortunate enough to discover the culprit and the solution.

Interestingly, when I opened the door today to head out to work this morning, I immediately got a 'parking brake fault' before even getting in the vehicle. The parking brake wasn't set from the night before so seems like just another random unrelated error. I hope all of these seemingly unrelated errors add up to a 'related' error eventually.

My kids now play a party horn sound when the truck starts successfully, and they're always ready to go with a sad horn when it displays an error.

Have a good day everybody.

 

[Snakebitten]

The truck would not start for them either under the stop safely now. Battery control module c was first thing they did. It worked long enough for them to do oil change then stop safely now came back. He found a pin in a junction box not making connection or something like that, replaced that. Then there were other things like rear brake assist not available, and then a pre collision assist not available that they couldn’t clear until changing those associated modules. Although the manual says to drive the thing and it will clear the rear brake assist.

That’s the best account I can give of what I’ve been told so far.

Thanks for the information!

Are you sure it wasn't a Body Control Module C?

From a process of elimination approach, that at least tells me NOT to waste time replacing the BCMC if chasing this down.

Not to be confused with the other similar modules.

I'll take every tidbit of solid data I can get.

 

[OneFiddy]

No ragrets

 

[Davexxxx]

No ragrets

Somebody had to do it.

 

[UGADawg96]

Somebody had to do it.

Somebody did

 

[DerekB]

Snake bitten, you are correct. It was BEMC. The service writer, in her text, kept saying battery control module. She was what made me so embittered about the whole ordeal. Just lack of communication. Anyway, Here is the ticket. The way they wrote it was a little out of order. But they did do normal service after they thought they had it fixed. I think the BEMC was first. Then the junction box. Then the rest. I drove it about 20 miles back to work. Seems like it’s back to normal.

The low tire alert sounded while driving on the interstate so I had the split second between hearing the alarm and seeing what it was where I thought I was going right back to the dealer. I have a 12’ ext cord and one of those mini compressors so I aired up the tire when I got back. It didn’t draw enough power for the engine to start. I did rev it a little to charge back after finishing. I’m going to be very cautious for awhile but I’m glad to have it back after 5 weeks.

 

[Snakebitten]

Nice! Thanks @DerekB

I see they replaced the High Voltage Traction Motor Inverter. That's why they de-energized the HV side. (SOBDMC)

I honestly thought it was more expensive.

 

[stonefly]

After 28K miles, (15K towing 7K lb trailer) coolant leak issues with no parts for months, both Max Tow axle bolts shearing, Trailer brake faults, etc. I still think it meets so many of my wants (including a time when I was disappointed that I got < 32 mpg on my work commute).
I would buy it again.
Like @Snakebitten I'm a big fan. I like the idea of its competition being F250 diesel.

Agree that service is a big problem. I do believe that is part of a larger problem of insufficient expertise in many trades, but I digress...

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