2025 PowerBoost Easter Eggs

[HammaMan]

Sodium just isn't panning out like LFP is. Modern LFP is now able to achieve 200Wh/kg while retaining absolutely insane lifetimes. Nothing is coming close to just how long they last and that's a variable that can't be ignored.

As for hub motors, we're still not yet seeing the longevity needed from them due to their locations. I haven't seen anything in regards to trying to 'inboard' them a bit like within the A arm 'box' while only requiring a single CV style joint. Each additional motor requires a separate inverter to drive it which increases costs significantly combined with an additional motor. It's at least an additional $2k or so per motor at the manufacturer level. This is why the most common trend is 1 motor per axle. I don't foresee a future where the costs and complexities of hub motors washes their efficiency gain vs the current approach.

Then there's the whole direct wheel drive not really being a realistic approach as the motor's diameter would need to be large, or increased complexity w/ planetaries required. So far the best 'efficiency' has been found to be with motors than can spin up to 30k RPM and geared down to drive the wheels. In traction limited scenarios the larger single motor can still push all of its power to the 'gripping' wheel. In offroad scenarios this has been found to be superior vs hub motors where tractive effort is limited by the output of individual motors. Weak motors have been showing some chinese EVs having trouble off road particularly going up hill where a wheel can lose traction.

LFP's lifespan is yielding vehicles that will go 20+ years needing nothing but gear oil, coolant, and tires when appropriate. Removing the ICE and Trans, combined with regen braking and super long battery life is a whole new paradigm I don't think most people fully understand yet. A nearly maintenance free drivetrain. Given the easy life of the coolant and gearbox oil, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of people never changing them and the vehicle not much caring.

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[turbopilot]

I just took delivery of my 3rd F-150 PowerBoost Platinum 702a package truck since 2021. It is 2021 all over again with old features coming back. I am still learning the truck but here are the changes I discovered compared to my 2023 PB but with some previously present in my 2021 PB.

1. Message seats are back
2. Bed camera is back
3. HUD is new (not on my 2021 PB) with all sorts of information showing.
4. BlueCruise with the latest version including lane changing.
5. No more plastic engine cover under the hood.
6. New tailgate
7. ProPower On Board Sync page improved graphics.
8. New main instrument panel graphics and content.
9. At 200 miles everything works right from the dealer.

And very good news about OBDLink. 2025 PB runs fine with 2024 Ford Enhanced PID's in the OBDLink. Even better news the 2024 Ford Enhanced PID's have added even more modules supported and I am spotting a number of new PID's of interest I have never seen before. So more Easter eggs in the OBDLink app support in the 2025 PB.

New Easter Egg. No longer have that annoying "Beep, Beep" from the horn if you leave the F-150 PB and shut the door when the engine/PPoB is running.

 

[Lefty665]

Had my '24 PB since last summer. I have never heard the flywheel starter. Every start has been with the hv motor, and it is seamless. I sometimes have to look at the dash to see whether it's gas or electric and if that has changed. I could not testify that it actually has a flywheel starter. My overall mileage from new is about 21.5mpg, and range on a tank of gas, over 600 miles. Simulated engine noise and backup beep are inconsequential. PPOB has powered my house twice during power outages. It's a lot more convenient, fuel efficient and quieter than the generator I have now given to my son.

I've been thrilled with the PB, and I came to it from an EB. I encourage you to take the one your dealer offered. My experience is that it's an EB+.

 

[BoDiddly]

Question on your PB. I had a 3.5 eco-boost on order and the dealer messed the order up , so now my choices are to take a nearly identical truck with a power boost or submit a new order and wait three months. I had never driven a power boost and hadn’t paid much attention to them. I did just go drive one at the dealer, around the block a couple of times, and surprisingly the power felt very similar to my eco-boost. The one thing that I didn’t like was constantly hearing the gas engine start. It’s kinda like a nonstop version of the auto start/stop in the regular trucks, but one that continues all the time. At various times when I would accelerate or let off the gas, I could hear it cranking to start the engine. Has not been an issue that you’ve noticed or has bothered you with any of yours? I was surprised that the mileage is not significantly better than the 3.5. I did like the fact that when you are stopped at a light and the engine shuts off that you still have full air-conditioning functionality and power steering functionality. That’s the problem with the auto start stop in the 3.5 or other vehicles is that the fan will continue to blow, but you lose the compressor and I never had power steering functionality until the engine started again. I’m torn as to what to do because maybe the power boost is not a bad option. Seems like it gets decent reviews, but it’s always good to hear from owners that have had several.

I have a 2022 KR PB with BC. I absolutely love it. It is the best vehicle I have ever had. I am getting 22MPG over the last 5,000 miles and I don't baby it. You can get 24-26 MPG easily if you are willing to drive 60. This thing has nearly 600 Ft-Lbs of torque and over 400 HP. That is like a big diesel. Take the PB and don't look back.

 

[Asphaltman]

Had my '24 PB since last summer. I have never heard the flywheel starter. Every start has been with the hv motor, and it is seamless. I sometimes have to look at the dash to see whether it's gas or electric and if that has changed. I could not testify that it actually has a flywheel starter. My overall mileage from new is about 21.5mpg, and range on a tank of gas, over 600 miles. Simulated engine noise and backup beep are inconsequential. PPOB has powered my house twice during power outages. It's a lot more convenient, fuel efficient and quieter than the generator I have now given to my son.

I've been thrilled with the PB, and I came to it from an EB. I encourage you to take the one your dealer offered. My experience is that it's an EB+.

Thank you and everyone for your responses! I told the dealer I would take it. It gets blended today. Im excited to have one. What did you need to wire to have the hookup on your house? I was looking at getting a Genrac, but now might just use this.

 

[UGADawg96]

Thank you and everyone for your responses! I told the dealer I would take it. It gets blended today. Im excited to have one. What did you need to wire to have the hookup on your house? I was looking at getting a Genrac, but now might just use this.

enjoy this megathread: https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/threads/installed-transfer-switch-in-house.1267/page-20#post-181830

 

[Cangelo629]

Question on your PB. I had a 3.5 eco-boost on order and the dealer messed the order up.
Take the PowerBoost and run with it I had three Kings Ranches the last several years and this truck by far 2024 PowerBoost King Ranch is the best I've own plenty of power city driving averaging 25 miles gallon the recline seats comes in handy when Im taking a break.

 

[Eighthtry]

The power boost is a great option to gain instantaneous power to an under powered V6 with turbo lag. It would be even better with a V8. The technology is good in application and will likely be around for awhile.

What I have been unable to get comfortable with is lithium-ion. There will be battery technology at some point that will solve that problem. With China owning all the minerals I suspect the USA will begin seriously addressing that problem. As long as congress keeps their ass out of it.

In the meantime, if I owned one I would park it 25'-30' from the house. No garage, particularly if attached. There are just too many miniature lithium cells that make up a lithium battery I just cannot get comfortable.

 

[tsigwing]

The power boost is a great option to gain instantaneous power to an under powered V6 with turbo lag. It would be even better with a V8. The technology is good in application and will likely be around for awhile.

What I have been unable to get comfortable with is lithium-ion. There will be battery technology at some point that will solve that problem. With China owning all the minerals I suspect the USA will begin seriously addressing that problem. As long as congress keeps their ass out of it.

In the meantime, if I owned one I would park it 25'-30' from the house. No garage, particularly if attached. There are just too many miniature lithium cells that make up a lithium battery I just cannot get comfortable.

Have you owned or driven one? Do you know which engine Ford has rated for maximum towing in the F150?

 

[Eighthtry]

Never owned a PB. Have owned a 2014, 2024, and 2021 F150 5.0's Love the engine. It is much better than my 6.2 GMC Yukon Denali XL. But the answer without looking is probably the power boost. It likely has more torque coming on quicker than the 5.0 or the other engine options. Torque is what helps on the low end until the turbos kick in. Most noticed in the mountains.

The other problem I have is turbo replacement. Two of my buddies have replaced non-boosted turbos, one at 105,000 miles and one at 125,000 miles. Both replaced the pair when only one went out. I am accustomed to much more mileage before an expense such as that. Drove my supercharged 6.2 CTS V to 208,000 miles before I sold it. Granted I was towing nothing, but had it to 170 mph at 175,000 miles. I would love to have that same engine in my 6.2 recalled Denali.

The PB might take some of that early load off the turbos, maybe with a softer spin up. I don't really know how that might work from a longevity perspective.

 

[Goldeneye36]

The Ecoboost motors have very little turbo lag as they use small turbos that spool very quickly. They also make way more torque at low RPMs than the 5.0 and even my 1st gen 3.5 I owned previously was no slouch off the line. The PB just adds a little taste of that instant electric torque that's impossible for an ICE motor to do.

Also the paranoia about lithium batteries is a bit silly. All the F150 fires I've seen online have either been something other than the HVB or not even a PowerBoost. Does having a cell phone in your pocket bother you? Even a small phone battery can cause some serious injuries if they run away but 99% of people are fine with it.

 

[Eighthtry]

I understand exactly what you are saying. Lithium fires are not something that you nor I are likely to experience. However, my 9 volt lithium fire alarm battery is a much more manageable risk than a lithium battery in a Tesla. Tesla's battery packs are broken down into individual modules. A Tesla Model S, for example, may have 16 modules, each with 432 cells. Some Tesla's have more. Some less. Other auto makers are similar depending on power desired.

A PB is nowhere near those numbers, but utilizes the same technology, as does the Lightning.

Although Tesla will not do it, and it is unlikely the other car manufacturers will do it, those cells can be tracked and replaced individually if they are bad. That has been done in the aftermarket to great success. It can be done by the manufacturers if they get it together.

My point being that a Tesla battery cited above contains 6,912 densely packed individual lithium electric cells. That, if I owned one, exponentially increases my risk of lithium battery failure. I have nowhere near that kind of risk with the other lithium batteries in my life simply because I do not own that many in comparison. The ones I do own are not near as densely packed as car battery packs. Phones and other high end electronics use more densely packed lithium batteries, so no question my risk will rise with these uses.

Lithium battery cell risks will be substantially reduced given time. This could be the technology of handling lithium cells directly or to other high density batteries developed from a different technology. It is just that the lithium risks are not exciting to me at the moment.

So, in my opinion, today's technology is higher risk. Long term that will be substantially solved. And it may not even include lithium technology.

 

[CedarEden]

Finally captured the range miles after a full up. 700 miles is the highest I have seen, but it is usually 680+

 

[turbopilot]

New Tow/Haul screen

 

[nomarhits400]

I'm three and half years in and wouldn't want anything other than a powerboost for a truck drivetrain. Averaging 20-21 mpg around town and it scoots. I've never heard the flywheel starter ever. It is quiet as a mouse engine off/on.

I easily get 22-23 mpg in town- and it will absolutely better a straight 3.5 in every scenario in city driving. No real advantages on the highway (unless you are in stop and go traffic).

I also agree that something is wrong if you are noticing the engine turn on and off as I can almost never tell- even after 30k miles driving my '23......There's either an issue with that truck or you have Superman level cochlea's in your ears.

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