2023 or wait for 2024

[Dale B]

Exact same here man. I’m seriously messed up right now. I don’t know if I should pick up the new 2023 with the 2.7 turbo but with analog/dials/buttons or wait it out for the 2024 5L non turbo but frickin screens everywhere.

Would it be easier to fix a messed up turbo engine or to fix all the screens and tech shit when the start randomly f*ckin up on you.

I recall some horror stories on these very same forums of some trucks having tech issues that the dealerships couldn’t figure out and people lost their trucks for days or weeks at a time.

I don’t know as much about mechanical stuff as I should but I think it would be a lot easier or straight forward to deal with mechanical issues over the tech stuff

I had a Mercedes S430 that had a solid-state instrument cluster that went out that caused me to have to scrap the car, but it was 22 years old and had 260K miles on it, so I guess that I got all of the goody out of it. I shouldn't complain because I bought it with 60K miles and put 200K more miles on it over the next 12 years. I only paid $15K for it so I guess I got more than my money's worth.

The problem is when cars get older, the parts get harder to find and if there were few of them built to begin with there isn't much call for replacement parts. So, they stop making the parts. If you have a 25 year old Mercedes that they only made 1500 of them to begin with, you are SOL when you go looking for parts. But, if you own an old F-150 that was the most numerous vehicle in the world, and you need a part, chances are that there are a lot of people like you that are willing to keep buying parts. If there is a market for the parts, someone will be willing to make it.

They replace screens on old iPhones, so I bet that you will be able to get replacements for a while. I do know that turbos can be expensive and the most miles that I have gotten on a turbo was a little over 100K. I took it out to rebuild it and the veins on both impellers were worn down to nubs and I always changed my air filters regularly. I look at turbos about like clutches. They are going to wear out. It is just a question as to when. I believe that the 5.0 V8 has a good 250K miles in it. I replaced the timing chains at 150K miles on the Mercedes 4 cam V8's that I had and changed the oil with Mobile 1 every 10K miles and never had any problems. I kept one to 340K and three to over 250K before I got rid of them and never had an engine problem. I kept them all until they were more than twenty years old. They just got tired and old. My current daily driver is a 1999 SL500, but it only has 106K miles on it.

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[Eric]

I had a Mercedes S430 that had a solid-state instrument cluster that went out that caused me to have to scrap the car, but it was 22 years old and had 260K miles on it, so I guess that I got all of the goody out of it. I shouldn't complain because I bought it with 60K miles and put 200K more miles on it over the next 12 years. I only paid $15K for it so I guess I got more than my money's worth.

The problem is when cars get older, the parts get harder to find and if there were few of them built to begin with there isn't much call for replacement parts. So, they stop making the parts. If you have a 25 year old Mercedes that they only made 1500 of them to begin with, you are SOL when you go looking for parts. But, if you own an old F-150 that was the most numerous vehicle in the world, and you need a part, chances are that there are a lot of people like you that are willing to keep buying parts. If there is a market for the parts, someone will be willing to make it.

They replace screens on old iPhones, so I bet that you will be able to get replacements for a while. I do know that turbos can be expensive and the most miles that I have gotten on a turbo was a little over 100K. I took it out to rebuild it and the veins on both impellers were worn down to nubs and I always changed my air filters regularly. I look at turbos about like clutches. They are going to wear out. It is just a question as to when. I believe that the 5.0 V8 has a good 250K miles in it. I replaced the timing chains at 150K miles on the Mercedes 4 cam V8's that I had and changed the oil with Mobile 1 every 10K miles and never had any problems. I kept one to 340K and three to over 250K before I got rid of them and never had an engine problem. I kept them all until they were more than twenty years old. They just got tired and old. My current daily driver is a 1999 SL500, but it only has 106K miles on it.

Dale I really mean this; it’s people like you that make this world a better place. You’ve given me the insight I needed to make a better choice. I just cancelled my 2023.

But if my 24 starts acting up I’m coming for your azzz. Sorry bad joke but everything you said was very valuable stuff that I couldn’t find online.

 

[adyaro77]

If you were nearing the time to order a replacement for your 2021 lease would you guys go sooner than later for a 2023 or wait it out for the 2024… with the intention to keep the new one until it dies??
Was gonna wait for the 2024 but then the news about 2400 parts being taken out got me all frazzled

Well, while they were prepping my 23' Lariat. I built a 24' online and it was approximately $7,000 more with the options I selected. My recommendation would be do a price comparison and see what's important to you.

(3.5 EcoBoost, supercrew, short bed, moon roof, max tow, deployable running boards, and 502A package)

Ford did not sugar coat the fact that there would be significant price increases for the 24' F150's

 

[Eric]

Well, while they were prepping my 23' Lariat. I built a 24' online and it was approximately $7,000 more with the options I selected. My recommendation would be do a price comparison and see what's important to you.

(3.5 EcoBoost, supercrew, short bed, moon roof, max tow, deployable running boards, and 502A package)

Ford did not sugar coat the fact that there would be significant price increases for the 24' F150's

Same thing happened to me but Dale somehow got it lower. I’m hoping there will be some rebates and deals to help with the price

 

[Dale B]

Dale I really mean this; it’s people like you that make this world a better place. You’ve given me the insight I needed to make a better choice. I just cancelled my 2023.

But if my 24 starts acting up I’m coming for your azzz. Sorry bad joke but everything you said was very valuable stuff that I couldn’t find online.

I'm glad that I could help. I hope that everything works out for you. I know that we will be glad when they build our 2024.

 

[Dale B]

Well, while they were prepping my 23' Lariat. I built a 24' online and it was approximately $7,000 more with the options I selected. My recommendation would be do a price comparison and see what's important to you.

(3.5 EcoBoost, supercrew, short bed, moon roof, max tow, deployable running boards, and 502A package)

Ford did not sugar coat the fact that there would be significant price increases for the 24' F150's

I was looking for a basic truck and the 2024 worked out well for me; regular cab, 6.5 bed, 4x4, 5.0, and 3.73. It's the bells and whistles that takes the price and the margins up. It is easy to more than double the price.

I can buy a new F-150 for less than $44K and a used S class Mercedies for when I need to haul people or don't need a truck, for a lot less than a Platinum Super Crew. But that is just me and I appear to be in a small minority because it is difficult to find a regular cab anymore.

 

[UNIKRN150]

I was looking for a basic truck and the 2024 worked out well for me; regular cab, 6.5 bed, 4x4, 5.0, and 3.73. It's the bells and whistles that takes the price and the margins up. It is easy to more than double the price.

I can buy a new F-150 for less than $44K and a used S class Mercedies for when I need to haul people or don't need a truck, for a lot less than a Platinum Super Crew. But that is just me and I appear to be in a small minority because it is difficult to find a regular cab anymore.

If you just want "a truck" to do truck stuff... the F150 Regular Cab 4x4 5.0 XL is BY FAR the best bang for the buck out there.

You're going to get all the latest technology where it matters and the comfort and convenience of a quality truck that will take a beating for years and rarely complain.

I opted for all the bells & whistles even though I really just needed a truck, only because I knew this would likely be the last of many trucks I have purchased over the years and planned on keeping it until they take my driver's license away due to old age.

And I'm glad I did because while I really don't "need" auto-high beams, rain sensing wipers, keyless entry, remote start, 360 degree cameras and on & on... I'm really enjoying all the tech.

Plus at the time I placed my order Ford was still offering 0% so I figured... why not? I'm sure if I were doing it today, I would have passed on all the extras and been just as happy.

 

[Dale B]

If you just want "a truck" to do truck stuff... the F150 Regular Cab 4x4 5.0 XL is BY FAR the best bang for the buck out there.

You're going to get all the latest technology where it matters and the comfort and convenience of a quality truck that will take a beating for years and rarely complain.

I opted for all the bells & whistles even though I really just needed a truck, only because I knew this would likely be the last of many trucks I have purchased over the years and planned on keeping it until they take my driver's license away due to old age.

And I'm glad I did because while I really don't "need" auto-high beams, rain sensing wipers, keyless entry, remote start, 360 degree cameras and on & on... I'm really enjoying all the tech.

Plus at the time I placed my order Ford was still offering 0% so I figured... why not? I'm sure if I were doing it today, I would have passed on all the extras and been just as happy.

Autos/trucks are very much an emotional decision. It is amazing at the choices and options that are available. I remember when a regular cab was the only choice in a pickup. I remember the first time I saw a crew cab. Hey look a four-door pickup! It was only available as a commercial vehicle. Now I'm sure that kids say, "Hey look Dad, a truck with no back seat". You can buy 700 horsepower cars off the showroom floor with ten-speed transmissions. It's great that the manufacturers are making choices to scratch so many different itches.

 

[gagliano7]

I just built a 2024 well tried the same as my 2023. I have a 2023 STX BAP XL Screw 4x4 5.0 3:73. The 2024 has way less color choices and i didn't see any options for the STX or BAP or 36 gallon tank and came out $1000 more with way less options.

 

[wessermgm]

It is a weird deal. Some configurations are more, some less. I have a 2022 702a Plat 3.5L EB. It was MSRP @ $77k. It never had a moonroof and it got the active motion seats deleted. It also did not have CCD. My 2024 KR order is MSRP @ $76k and it is a PB with moonroof and active motion seats, along with CCD because all of that is standard on the KR for 2024. Obviously, the biggest free upgrade is the free Powerboost. When I got my truck, you couldn't get a PB in KR or Plat for under $80k out the door. After the Granger discount, I will pay about $67k.

I think the trim level where the biggest increase is probably at XLT and STX. STX makes sense as they are getting the 12" upgrade and some other standard features. I expect that STX will eat significantly into 302a sales.

 

[dolsen]

It is a weird deal. Some configurations are more, some less. I have a 2022 702a Plat 3.5L EB. It was MSRP @ $77k. It never had a moonroof and it got the active motion seats deleted. It also did not have CCD. My 2024 KR order is MSRP @ $76k and it is a PB with moonroof and active motion seats, along with CCD because all of that is standard on the KR for 2024. Obviously, the biggest free upgrade is the free Powerboost. When I got my truck, you couldn't get a PB in KR or Plat for under $80k out the door. After the Granger discount, I will pay about $67k.

I think the trim level where the biggest increase is probably at XLT and STX. STX makes sense as they are getting the 12" upgrade and some other standard features. I expect that STX will eat significantly into 302a sales.

I tried to build my 22 701a as a 24 and it’s coming out about $3k higher.

 

[wessermgm]

I tried to build my 22 701a as a 24 and it’s coming out about $3k higher.

Did you not have Max Tow?

 

[dolsen]

Did you not have Max Tow?

No max tow, I intentionally stayed away from it based on all of the axle bolt issues

 

[wessermgm]

No max tow, I intentionally stayed away from it based on all of the axle bolt issues

That is at least part of my savings between 22 and 24 - Ford's simplification combined tow/tech and eliminated max tow as an option., so that is $2k I didn't have to spend on the 2024. You also get either the 3.73 or 3.55 standard, which was an upgrade before. So I had a 3.5 EB with Max Tow and a 3.55 electronic locker. All of that was close to $3,000 - now included. Bed utility package is standard now as well - had to pay before. Couple that with onboard scales and smart hitch being included as well (I didn't have that). All of this applies to KR or Plat. They have included pretty well everything on these builds for 2024, so there is room for savings between a similarly optioned 22 or 23 because most of these items were rather expensive upgrades. So if you had a 600a KR before with just the standard class IV hitch, no trailer or max tow package, no bed utility package - you would definitely see a price increase. However, if you had all of that, you will see a price decrease on your 2024 build.

Lower trims do not have as much bundled in as standard, and what is standard a lot of ppl don't want, which is why we see increases in that ballpark.

 

[dolsen]

That is at least part of my savings between 22 and 24 - Ford's simplification combined tow/tech and eliminated max tow as an option., so that is $2k I didn't have to spend on the 2024. You also get either the 3.73 or 3.55 standard, which was an upgrade before. So I had a 3.5 EB with Max Tow and a 3.55 electronic locker. All of that was close to $3,000 - now included. Bed utility package is standard now as well - had to pay before. Couple that with onboard scales and smart hitch being included as well (I didn't have that). All of this applies to KR or Plat. They have included pretty well everything on these builds for 2024, so there is room for savings between a similarly optioned 22 or 23 because most of these items were rather expensive upgrades. So if you had a 600a KR before with just the standard class IV hitch, no trailer or max tow package, no bed utility package - you would definitely see a price increase. However, if you had all of that, you will see a price decrease on your 2024 build.

Lower trims do not have as much bundled in as standard, and what is standard a lot of ppl don't want, which is why we see increases in that ballpark.

Yea here’s my window sticker, when I did the build and price a 24 is close to $82k

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