F-150 Lightning Gets Nearly $10K Price Cut

[HammaMan]

I don’t think the grid is the issue, the bigger issue is we need to levy taxes on EV owners. Infrastructure maintenance. As of right now a they are piggy backing off of the road taxes that we pay and we are giving them road welfare. Some states have fixed that and charge a road useage tax to EV’s based on mileage, but it should be 50 state wide. They should be paying in the same per mile to use the roads, it’s the same wear. Take your average mpg of the class vehicles and levy that equivalent in tax on the EV owner (same as tax per gallon) at end of year. They are going to get better, that’s for certain. Charging will be faster, and I really think gas stations will go hybrid and have an electric and charging mix. If Ford was smart they’d partner up with existing chains etc and piggy back their charging infrastructure into existing businesses. Cheap entrance. Gas stations will want to exist, so they will be willing to transition and sell power.

Oh, they're levied on registration. This belief that there is no road revenue is misunderstood.

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[Snakebitten]

Oh, they're levied on registration. This belief that there is no road revenue is misunderstood.

And if anyone believes that they (government) somehow didn't even realize that there's a missed opportunity to "make things fair", which is code for levying a tax revenue source......

Not going to happen.

 

[ColoradoHunter]

Oh, they're levied on registration. This belief that there is no road revenue is misunderstood.

Colorado charges EV's $100($50 for PHEV's) per year on registration to make it up. Here is the problem. Our gas tax is .40. So the $100 only covers 250 gallons of gas. Last I heard the avg. person drives 15,000 per year. If driving the average, my ICE would have to get 60 MPG for us to have equal taxes going toward the roads. The charge should be double for the EV's in Colorado since the tax is for road maintenance. To be honest maybe more, since heavier EV vehicles cause more damage to the roads. That's why semi's fuel taxes are so high. They pay for a Federal fuel tax stamp and again at the pump that go towards the roads.

 

[Jus Cruisin]

I'm old enough that I likely won't get to 2035 and even if I do I doubt I'll have a driver's license. I stuck my toes in the water with the Powerboost and it's not for me. I have the GM performance exhaust system on my GMC and with the V-8, it's music to my ears. Gas mileage really isn't a huge deal for me as I'm not commuting to work and average 10,000 miles or less a year now.

 

[Snakebitten]

Those Mach-E & Lightning driver's are dirty rotten cheaters! ?

Electricity ain't free, I heard.
But maybe they (them govt folks) should just start taxing 40¢ a kilowatt? ?

 

[HammaMan]

Colorado charges EV's $100($50 for PHEV's) per year on registration to make it up. Here is the problem. Our gas tax is .40. So the $100 only covers 250 gallons of gas. Last I heard the avg. person drives 15,000 per year. If driving the average, my ICE would have to get 60 MPG for us to have equal taxes going toward the roads. The charge should be double for the EV's in Colorado since the tax is for road maintenance. To be honest maybe more, since heavier EV vehicles cause more damage to the roads. That's why semi's fuel taxes are so high. They pay for a Federal fuel tax stamp and again at the pump that go towards the roads.

Standard passenger vehicles are subsidizing the trucks that actually tear roads up. Given I don't average even 8k yr in mileage, I'm due a rebate it sounds like.

Those Mach-E & Lightning driver's are dirty rotten cheaters! ?

Electricity ain't free, I heard.
But maybe they (them govt folks) should just start taxing 40¢ a kilowatt? ?

We're subsidizing other's electricity infrastructure, where's the credit for that

 

[Snakebitten]

Standard passenger vehicles are subsidizing the trucks that actually tear roads up. Given I don't average even 8k yr in mileage, I'm due a rebate it sounds like.



We're subsidizing other's electricity infrastructure, where's the credit for that

I probably drive the average 15,000 miles per year, plus or minus a bit.

But I pay for registration on about 10 vehicles. So that mileage gets spread across them. I figure I'm over-paying one man's portion of SOMETHING? ?

Same with insurance. Even with old man's rates and multi-vehicle discounts, with that many vehicles on the policy it's a LOT for one driver.

Add to that, I don't think I qualify for any of those government EV incentives either. (nor did I get any of that pandemic ca$h)

I don't expect any sympathy, of course. Nor am I asking for it. But I can assure you that my one EV isn't me sticking-it-to-the-man, or to my neighbor.

Now my agriculture exemption for my bees? THAT might be the one thing the government showed some favor to this citizen. ??

 

[Adamantskin]

At this point an EV is only good for a local commuter. A local TV station reporter was able to get a Lightning to use for a trip from a Detroit suburb to Mackinaw City and back for a family vacation.
His home wasn't set up for an EV so he found a Meijer with a charging station. 4 stations of which only one was working. He had to wait an hour for that one to open. He charged to what he thought was plenty to get up there (roughly 270 miles.). He had to stop before making it up because it was using the battery way faster. Once up there the only place to charge it to come home was at a casino. It cost him $20 to get in and then $56 to charge. It was more profitable to stay home and gamble on the casino site while earning rather than spending money. And again he had to stop in Bay City because I-75 was closed from a crash and he was detoured.
He said the whole trip was way too stressful worrying about finding charging stations and range concerns.

While EVs are fantastic for local commutes, as you said, road trips can still be a gamble unless you're in an area with a robust charging network

 

[FaaWrenchBndr]

Those Mach-E & Lightning driver's are dirty rotten cheaters! ?

Electricity ain't free, I heard.
But maybe they (them govt folks) should just start taxing 40¢ a kilowatt? ?

I hate to say it, but a friend of mine bought a Mach-E. He works a state job, they incentivize the electric vehicle ideology. He gets a close parking spot and free charging on the state.

What a crock…….but Illinoistan being the crooks they are, I shouldn’t be surprised.

 

[nvabill]

I hate to say it, but a friend of mine bought a Mach-E. He works a state job, they incentivize the electric vehicle ideology. He gets a close parking spot and free charging on the state.

What a crock…….but Illinoistan being the crooks they are, I shouldn’t be surprised.

Definitely a crock unless they install a gas pump with free gas for all employees to use!

 

[HammaMan]

I hate to say it, but a friend of mine bought a Mach-E. He works a state job, they incentivize the electric vehicle ideology. He gets a close parking spot and free charging on the state.

What a crock…….but Illinoistan being the crooks they are, I shouldn’t be surprised.

If you can charge at work for free, an EV is a no-brainer. You can find sub $25k EVs w/ heated and cooled seats. Practically no maint costs (just tires) and free fuel?? Sub $25k EVs still qualify for $4k taxpayer fund redistribution into your pocket to boot.

Even if you don't have free work charging, your poco might have an EV plan. A lot of us are paying ~2$ in electricity for 200 miles of range. The way my poco does it allows me to use a grid tie inverter that monitors the incoming electricity usage and when combined with a sufficient LFP batt bank, using that EV rate to charge up the batt bank saves $2400+/yr on electricity while also providing UPS backup for a day or longer to everything behind the inverter. Perfect use case is most bedrooms, refer circuits, and all home lighting.

That same inverter can accept 2 different solar strings to also provide generation throughout the day with a smaller battery. LFP batts will last 2-3 decades and the ROI of such a system is 2-4 years depending on usage, battery size, and if you choose solar or not.

 

[gagliano7]

I was going to buy a lightning in 2023 would have been perfect for my commute. But the the dealers around my area in southern New York decided to up the prices by $20000. So I ordered my 5.0 STX BAP for $52000. Happy with my choice.

 

[Goldeneye36]

I was going to buy a lightning in 2023 would have been perfect for my commute. But the the dealers around my area in southern New York decided to up the prices by $20000. So I ordered my 5.0 STX BAP for $52000. Happy with my choice.

I don't know how they could still be upcharging the Lightning in 2023 after sales tanked so hard a Ford had to cut prices as much as they did.

The Lightning pricing mess is how I ended up in a PowerBoost. The Lightning fit 99% of my use case and I loved the idea of powering the house during an outage. I put in a reservation during the initial sign up but after 2 years when I finally got my notice to order the truck was going to be over 80k for an XLT and required me to make thousands of dollars in upgrades to my house to utilize the fast charging/backup power. Eff that.

The PowerBoost does pretty much everything I wanted out of the Lightning minus the AWD and crazy acceleration and handling (for a truck) without downsides of an EV and for 20k less than it would have been in 2022 when I cancelled the reservation.

 

[Snakebitten]

The overpriced Lightning was during a very different automotive buying market.
Today you can grab a 2023 Lightning that had a MSRP of $80k, and has less than 10,000 miles, for a round $50K.

(In Texas, anyway)

So I'm a bit less sore with Ford than I was when my reservation came up and the so called $39.9k Lightning was not available to me.

 

[HammaMan]

I don't know how they could still be upcharging the Lightning in 2023 after sales tanked so hard a Ford had to cut prices as much as they did.

The Lightning pricing mess is how I ended up in a PowerBoost. The Lightning fit 99% of my use case and I loved the idea of powering the house during an outage. I put in a reservation during the initial sign up but after 2 years when I finally got my notice to order the truck was going to be over 80k for an XLT and required me to make thousands of dollars in upgrades to my house to utilize the fast charging/backup power. Eff that.

The PowerBoost does pretty much everything I wanted out of the Lightning minus the AWD and crazy acceleration and handling (for a truck) without downsides of an EV and for 20k less than it would have been in 2022 when I cancelled the reservation.

You can go AWD if you want by swapping out your t-case.

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