Tomatoboy
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Production or use in the F-150?
IIRC Ford has indicated the upcoming Mustang generation will be their last ICE Mustang. Speculation is that takes them to 2028-2029. I think we can probably assume that, absent some game changing external factors, Coyote production will not end until 2028-2029. Probably a tad after that to allow spares and crate engines. (that’s assuming Ford doesn’t surprise us and replace the 5.0 Coyote with one last hurrah larger displacement V8, but I really don’t expect that).
As for use in the F-150, I think that’s a bigger question. The 5.0 sells pretty well in my neck of the woods, but with Ford looking to trim money from ICE development, it does seem questionable they’ll continue *updating* the NA engines on the F-150. The 3.3 isn’t used in a lot of other applications, and the Coyote is reasonably youthful. So I wouldn’t expect them to update either engine much. The question then becomes how long they let those engines languish (like the poor 3.5 Cyclone in our Explorer) before they kill them off for hurting their CAFE numbers. Since there’s market factors leaning both ways (fleet reluctance for EcoBoosts, FlexFuel support, etc), my personal 2 cents are that we’ll see the Coyote stay an option on the F-150 through the end of Gen 14, but the odds drop to 60/40 for Gen 15. I am confident we won’t see it stay an option beyond when/if the Mustang drops it.
I don't see Ford continuing to offer a V8 in the F-150, Coyote or otherwise, *beyond* Gen 15 (let’s call it 2028-2029 but who knows) unless their competitors continue to offer one. V8s will clearly still be around on the Super Duties where it’s absolutely a mission requirement, but the days of the half-ton V8 were probably numbered regardless of electrification. We saw the same thing happen in the SUV and sedan market years ago, once the V6s or even I4s offered comparable performance, the V8s didn’t linger on long after power parity except in niche applications. Again, doesn’t mean the V8 itself is dead…I suspect we will be seeing Super Duty and larger vehicles with them the rest of our lives.
IIRC Ford has indicated the upcoming Mustang generation will be their last ICE Mustang. Speculation is that takes them to 2028-2029. I think we can probably assume that, absent some game changing external factors, Coyote production will not end until 2028-2029. Probably a tad after that to allow spares and crate engines. (that’s assuming Ford doesn’t surprise us and replace the 5.0 Coyote with one last hurrah larger displacement V8, but I really don’t expect that).
As for use in the F-150, I think that’s a bigger question. The 5.0 sells pretty well in my neck of the woods, but with Ford looking to trim money from ICE development, it does seem questionable they’ll continue *updating* the NA engines on the F-150. The 3.3 isn’t used in a lot of other applications, and the Coyote is reasonably youthful. So I wouldn’t expect them to update either engine much. The question then becomes how long they let those engines languish (like the poor 3.5 Cyclone in our Explorer) before they kill them off for hurting their CAFE numbers. Since there’s market factors leaning both ways (fleet reluctance for EcoBoosts, FlexFuel support, etc), my personal 2 cents are that we’ll see the Coyote stay an option on the F-150 through the end of Gen 14, but the odds drop to 60/40 for Gen 15. I am confident we won’t see it stay an option beyond when/if the Mustang drops it.
I don't see Ford continuing to offer a V8 in the F-150, Coyote or otherwise, *beyond* Gen 15 (let’s call it 2028-2029 but who knows) unless their competitors continue to offer one. V8s will clearly still be around on the Super Duties where it’s absolutely a mission requirement, but the days of the half-ton V8 were probably numbered regardless of electrification. We saw the same thing happen in the SUV and sedan market years ago, once the V6s or even I4s offered comparable performance, the V8s didn’t linger on long after power parity except in niche applications. Again, doesn’t mean the V8 itself is dead…I suspect we will be seeing Super Duty and larger vehicles with them the rest of our lives.
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