Turn Signal Cameras???

[rugedraw]

So, I have a 2023 XLT with most of the toys - 302A, Max Towing, newly added power fold mirrors (doing a write-up on that that I hope will be very comprehensive and useful to the community), Co-Pilot 360 Assist 2.0, 360-Degree cameras...

I've read this thread with interest, since it seems it ought to be a breeze for me, with a 2023, to get the turn signal cameras working as long as I have a trailer atached, but I'd like to have it work all the time, i.e., with or without a trailer, and I'd like to not lose BLIS, cross traffic alerts, and lane centering, which are the things the forums say you lose, but I seem to get conflicting info when I read what Ford says about trailering (they claim BLIS actually extends to the end of 'normal' length trailers and say cross traffic alerts work as well).

Any real world experience and/or info on what I lose, if anything? There is another forum that discusses making this work w/o a trailer, but you need to make the truck think it really has a trailer and, again, some stuff seems to go away. Also, even with a very minimal trailer defined, does the transmission work the same or differently, shifting-wise?

Thanks in advance.

If this can be done, it has not been figured out yet. You can trick the truck to thinking a trailer is on, but you will lose certain driver assist features.

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[powerboatr]

If this can be done, it has not been figured out yet. You can trick the truck to thinking a trailer is on, but you will lose certain driver assist features.

Yup
I can get side cameras at speed , by pressing camera button on center stack, with no trailer.
But turn signals do not turn them on , for that side , without a trailer or dummy load.
It's in there...but not figured out yet.
It will very nice to have them enabled without trailer and not loosing blis
As far as with trailer...it's almost life Changing, dragging the flat car hauler around.
I have had it in my motorhome since 2009
It's a superb safety plus.
For seeing those cars in that blind spot.
Mirrors, camera, and blis working together really helps

 

[Stefanolimotta]

Yup
I can get side cameras at speed , by pressing camera button on center stack, with no trailer.
But turn signals do not turn them on , for that side , without a trailer or dummy load.
It's in there...but not figured out yet.
It will very nice to have them enabled without trailer and not loosing blis
As far as with trailer...it's almost life Changing, dragging the flat car hauler around.
I have had it in my motorhome since 2009
It's a superb safety plus.
For seeing those cars in that blind spot.
Mirrors, camera, and blis working together really helps

I have side view with trailer I did that with forscan but how do you get side view at speed?

 

[powerboatr]

I have side view with trailer I did that with forscan but how do you get side view at speed?

I am not real sure
After the bcm update a few months ago
All the forscsn changes worked and I guess the cameras at speed finally decided it would work
Rugedraw knows the key..he got us all going on this
Only camera I cannot get at speed is fwd camera..

 

[Stefanolimotta]

I am not real sure
After the bcm update a few months ago
All the forscsn changes worked and I guess the cameras at speed finally decided it would work
Rugedraw knows the key..he got us all going on this
Only camera I cannot get at speed is fwd camera..

Really that’s interesting what thread is it that you got those values that’s pretty cool because I can only use the standard tail gate and bed camera at speed

 

[powerboatr]

Really that’s interesting what thread is it that you got those values that’s pretty cool because I can only use the standard tail gate and bed camera at speed

The codes are in the forscan spread sheet
On this site.

 

[Kodiak]

Rugedraw knows the key..he got us all going on this
Only camera I cannot get at speed is fwd camera..

That is another feature I wish Ford would activate with an update if it is possible. Have the front camera on if you are moving forward less than 10 MPH. Mine comes on if it detects something is close, but it would be nice to have it on always at very slow forward speed and just give you the audio warning view when something is close.

 

[fordtruckman2003]

Really that’s interesting what thread is it that you got those values that’s pretty cool because I can only use the standard tail gate and bed camera at speed

You need to have the newer IPMA software first if you do not already. If you do not have the right software version you can still do the changes in Forscan, but nothing will work. This is what I did in my truck I had made the changes and it only worked after the update was installed.

Split camera view can only be done if you have the 360 camera package. If you have that then it is going through the Forscan spreadsheet and turning on options for 50/50 view. If I recall APIM IPMA and maybe something else need to be changed. I really see this as being good enough for most people that don't have trailer but want an extra view of blind spots.

 

[powerboatr]

You need to have the newer IPMA software first if you do not already. If you do not have the right software version you can still do the changes in Forscan, but nothing will work. This is what I did in my truck I had made the changes and it only worked after the update was installed.

Split camera view can only be done if you have the 360 camera package. If you have that then it is going through the Forscan spreadsheet and turning on options for 50/50 view. If I recall APIM IPMA and maybe something else need to be changed. I really see this as being good enough for most people that don't have trailer but want an extra view of blind spots.

Yes. Ipma was also the update I received during last battery failure
The bcm update and test required the newest ipma update. Sorry I forgot the ipma update.

 

[Stefanolimotta]

The codes are in the forscan spread sheet
On this site.

[/QUOTE interesting thanks

You need to have the newer IPMA software first if you do not already. If you do not have the right software version you can still do the changes in Forscan, but nothing will work. This is what I did in my truck I had made the changes and it only worked after the update was installed.

Split camera view can only be done if you have the 360 camera package. If you have that then it is going through the Forscan spreadsheet and turning on options for 50/50 view. If I recall APIM IPMA and maybe something else need to be changed. I really see this as being good enough for most people that don't have trailer but want an extra view of blind spots.

so you need the newest software witch is newer then the soft ware you needed for the trailer camera to work because I have that soft ware my trailer side view works. And I did the changes to make camera at speed work but didn’t do any thing

 

[fordtruckman2003]

so you need the newest software witch is newer then the soft ware you needed for the trailer camera to work because I have that soft ware my trailer side view works. And I did the changes to make camera at speed work but didn’t do any thing

I have a 2021 too and like I said I put changes in then it started to work after updating IPMA. I use FDRS for that. Not sure if the IPMA version to add turn signal cameras went out OTA I can't remember.

 

[Kodiak]

In another thread about this feature, I am looking at this scenario.

1. Use a 7 pin to 4 pin adapter.
2. Get LED bike rack lights for 4 pin with turn signal and brake light activation.
3. Instead of a long under the tailgate light bar I will use these bike rack LED lights for addtional turn signal and brake light lights. They stay hooked up.
4. There may be a section in the manual about hooking up bike racks and programing the truck to think there is a trailer with minimal dimensions.
5. This lets the BLIS system work and gives you side view views when you use your turn signal if you have the 360 package.

I do not know if this works but it sounds like it should in theory at least and one member in the other thread says it it working for him.

Does anyone see any downsides of this or issues I should be aware of?

 

[powerboatr]

I have a 2021 too and like I said I put changes in then it started to work after updating IPMA. I use FDRS for that. Not sure if the IPMA version to add turn signal cameras went out OTA I can't remember.

Not yet.
That was what rugedraw and Jessie had found
By dumb luck. My dead battery forced the ipma updates via my dealer
It updated bcm logic in that update as well
I have had zero battery issues since
The brains will chime in, but the ipma update is large and not ota ready..in so many words.
My dealer told me hours to load
But it really took less than a hr

 

[Emapco]

Hello,

I've been reading and following this threat for a while driving 2023 f150 raptor.

Cameras in motion, wide cameras with a button click - all worked fine after config with FDRS and forscan.

I came across info to wire resistors on 4pin trailer connector to emulate the trailer. I connected 4 cheapest 100Ohm resistors between 3 wires and 4th ground. Naturally they burned immediately, but that didn't make my ford think that trailer isn't there. He this trailer is there.

Minimum length, weight of the trailer, lost rear park sensors (keeps saying trailer is connected and sensors are disabled once I put in reverse), but side view cameras started to work on sync4 screen.

It has been 2 days I'm driving with it, cannot say I enjoy and get used to looking to mirror and then central screen, but if you want to try - that's the way to go.

 

[Kodiak]

Hello,

I've been reading and following this threat for a while driving 2023 f150 raptor.

Cameras in motion, wide cameras with a button click - all worked fine after config with FDRS and forscan.

I came across info to wire resistors on 4pin trailer connector to emulate the trailer. I connected 4 cheapest 100Ohm resistors between 3 wires and 4th ground. Naturally they burned immediately, but that didn't make my ford think that trailer isn't there. He this trailer is there.

Minimum length, weight of the trailer, lost rear park sensors (keeps saying trailer is connected and sensors are disabled once I put in reverse), but side view cameras started to work on sync4 screen.

It has been 2 days I'm driving with it, cannot say I enjoy and get used to looking to mirror and then central screen, but if you want to try - that's the way to go.

Thanks for posting this! I could never get my tiny LED bike rack lights to make this work. Research lead me to believe the LED's just did not offer resistance to make the truck think something was working properly. I then thought about cutting the LED lights and attaching some regular bulb lights to see if that would work. It looks like it might. However I never got motivated enough to go through the work. I may try again someday.

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