Plug-in Powerboost

[travisN000]

Would A lap top work? And what adapter do you need/where can you get it?

A laptop should work.. I bought the adapter, but it doesn't like the USB ports in my laptop, so I haven't been able to use it; I guess I have a rare early usb 3.0 internal hub that it doesn't work with the adaptor according to the company that produces it.

Forscan info is in the following thread (and many other places):

https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/threads/2021-f-150-forscan-list-database-spreadsheet.1578/

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[tsvisser]

I’m highly interested in the ability to charge the hybrid battery. I take delivery of my ‘22 PB this weekend or early next week. I work on film sets in Hawaii so don’t make long trips, lots of small moves, and we have plenty of sun. I want to figure out a way to solar charge the hybrid battery. I don’t have any delusions of running EV mode 100% but figured with the light duty occasional driving and lots of sun, should be able to keep more free energy in the reserve and increase range / decrease fuel costs. The panels would basically be on top of a bed (6.5’) rack, so pretty substantial size and used for charging “Goal Zero” like power packs otherwise.

 

[FrankThompson]

I’m highly interested in the ability to charge the hybrid battery. I take delivery of my ‘22 PB this weekend or early next week. I work on film sets in Hawaii so don’t make long trips, lots of small moves, and we have plenty of sun. I want to figure out a way to solar charge the hybrid battery. I don’t have any delusions of running EV mode 100% but figured with the light duty occasional driving and lots of sun, should be able to keep more free energy in the reserve and increase range / decrease fuel costs. The panels would basically be on top of a bed (6.5’) rack, so pretty substantial size and used for charging “Goal Zero” like power packs otherwise.

The size of the battery (1.5kwh) and the amount it actually uses (only a small percentage), I don't think you'll ever have a good ROI by doing this and you most certainly will void the 8 year battery warranty if you overcharge.


Interesting concept and being in FL I could definitely also benefit from this, so please...let us know how it works out (seriously, not being snarky)

 

[tsvisser]

What would be most useful is if there is a factory service charging port with appropriate charge management circuitry in place to keep the battery in spec. Otherwise looking at tapping into the regenerative braking circuit might be possible? I certainly wouldn't want to bust the 8 year warranty. Maybe this is a question to re-address after owning the vehicle for several years and the aftermarket ecosystem is more mature. The solar panels will ultimately also be used for charging my own portable power units, and just provide bed shade / some rain cover, so the investment is there already and if can divert energy to the hybrid battery, big bonus.

 

[scott011422]

Similar to @Atlee my PB gets as low as 9.1-3 to as high as 10+ if I lock out 9 and 10 and watch the boost gauge, and keep it no more than 65mph towing our 6klb trailer. This gets me 250-300 miles, but my wife and kids also don't have the plumbing to stay on the road for longer than that in an uninterrupted stretch. It's far better range than my tiny 20gal tank on my 2015 EB F150, however.

The main benefit we've enjoyed is powering the RV while boondocking or should we need it, our house.

I keep seeing this comment of people locking out 9th and 10th gear. Why are you guys not towing in the towing mode?

 

[KDPGame02]

I keep seeing this comment of people locking out 9th and 10th gear. Why are you guys not towing in the towing mode?

Just experimenting. It's still new. And I do like it kicking over to electric in city/stop and go traffic.

I just pulled in from towing 1.5 hours at 65+ mph, and used tow mode most all the way, and appreciated keeping 8 locked out as well. I got closer to. 9.5-9.8mpg on that trip and definitely didn't see it kick the turbos in as often.

 

[bossboy302]

As I await the arrival of my PB, my wife has been driving her Jeep Wrangler PHEV for almost 8 months. Loves it! BUT, it does come with a price (charging). Trying to strike the right balance for such a big target audience is very tough. So many factors play into the economic benefits.
No matter how large you make a PHEV battery, there are a lot of folks for whom it doesn't work out. I think Ford went the right way by skipping over PHEV and straight to Lightning. Just me...

 

[Atlee]

I keep seeing this comment of people locking out 9th and 10th gear. Why are you guys not towing in the towing mode?

I lock out 8, 9, & 10. I do this in order to keep the RPM's up, when I'm going up a lot of smaller hills. By keeping the RPM's up, the turbos do not kick on as much, and when they do kick in, it's for a shorter length of time, and not as much PSI. This helps with the MPG.

 

[capetownkg]

The f150 is big and heavy. To drive EV only it will need a sufficiently powerful electric motor. 150hp would probably be enough. Which wheels would it drive. The Volvo XC90 and xc60 phev drive the rear axle with the ).

Interesting about the xc90 recharge, thats what my wife is thinking of getting. Her morning routine would be great for it I believe. She travels 15 miles on roads 45-55mph. Would be great for her to do all electric for the majority of the week.

 

[scott011422]

I lock out 8, 9, & 10. I do this in order to keep the RPM's up, when I'm going up a lot of smaller hills. By keeping the RPM's up, the turbos do not kick on as much, and when they do kick in, it's for a shorter length of time, and not as much PSI. This helps with the MPG.

I lock out 8, 9, & 10. I do this in order to keep the RPM's up, when I'm going up a lot of smaller hills. By keeping the RPM's up, the turbos do not kick on as much, and when they do kick in, it's for a shorter length of time, and not as much PSI. This helps with the MPG.

Lol
Apologies, I know why people are locking are the gears. Im meaning more why people are locking out 9, 10 and sometimes 8 in normal mode instead of using towing mode that is using a different trans shifting program, as well as already locking out 9th and 10th as well as other things i'm sure.

 

[Atlee]

Lol
Apologies, I know why people are locking are the gears. Im meaning more why people are locking out 9, 10 and sometimes 8 in normal mode instead of using towing mode that is using a different trans shifting program, as well as already locking out 9th and 10th as well as other things i'm sure.

With this PB truck, as long as the road is relatively flat, I will leave the transmission in normal when towing. I do this so all electric isn't locked out If there are a lot of steep hills, I will change over to tow haul.

To tell the truth, I'm still learning which drive mode is best for the driving situation I find myself in.

 

[scott011422]

With this PB truck, as long as the road is relatively flat, I will leave the transmission in normal when towing. I do this so all electric isn't locked out If there are a lot of steep hills, I will change over to tow haul.

To tell the truth, I'm still learning which drive mode is best for the driving situation I find myself in.

I'll have to pay more attention. I know backing the boat in and out of my driveway was in full electric as well as driving through the neighborhood. Other than that I wasn't paying attention. I'll also have to compare fuel mileage. I get about 21MPG driving from my house to where I park the boat. I only am getting about 9.5 same trip with the boat. All in tow mode.

I will say though, I was surprised how effortlessly the truck moved the boat around in all electric mode. especially when I have to give the truck considerably more gas to move it up to speed when the gas kicks in.

 

[Harry Dangler]

Under the right conditions I agree that the gain could be pretty great from just a bigger battery. I just don't think those are the average conditions most of us drive in. Would just a bigger battery get gains in MPG? Yes it would, I just don't think it would be as great for most people as this thread presumes without also adding a higher HP motor.

I agree with all of the above but would FOMOCO charge for that said rig. I'm already forking out 72k for my PB as it is.
Just a though

 

[EricR]

I agree with all of the above but would FOMOCO charge for that said rig. I'm already forking out 72k for my PB as it is.
Just a though

... and while you're waiting for your plug-in PB to be built, you get one of those dreaded supply constraint emails from Ford saying they are removing the large battery and building you a regular PB -- and giving you a $750 credit.

 

[BoDiddly]

Let's do a little math here. Assuming 30MPG rolling down the road at 60 MPH. At 30MPG you are using 1/30 of a gallon of gas per mile. A gallon of gas contains about 40kW-h of energy but the efficiency of the engine drops that to about 10 kW-h per gallon. So, to go 1 mile takes 1/30 gal times 10 kW-h/gal = 1/3 kW-h. At 60 MPH it takes 1 min to go 1 mile. So, it takes 1/3 kW-h per min X 60 min/h= 20 kW of average power. 750W = 1 HP. So, 20 kW/0.75 kW/HP= 27 HP. The electric motor is 50 HP. Therefore, cruising down the road at 60 MPH on full electric should be possible. Now, how much battery do you need? At 1/3 kW-h per mile it takes 50* 1/3 = 16.5 kW-h to go 50 miles. You actually need about 2 times that amount to not damage the battery. So, a 32 kW-h battery pack would give you 50 miles of range. The ICE might kick on under hard acceleration or going up hills, but on average you would get 50 miles full electric during your drive. LiFePo4 batteries cost around $250 per kW-h or $8,000 for 32 kW-h. At a cost of $3 per gallon, it costs 10 cents per mile at 30 MPG. Electricity in North Alabama is 8 cents per kW-h. At that rate it costs 3 cents per mile to drive. The difference is 7 cents per mile or $7,000 per 100,000 miles. Breakeven is over 100,000 miles. You decide if it is worth the cost.

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