Order Regret

[RoddyMcPorter]

That's amazing you ordered on 6/6 and got a blend date so quickly. We ordered on 3/15 and didn't receive our blend date until two weeks ago (6/7). Anyway, when we ordered the truck we had instant buyers remorse - I wished I had gotten the moon roof and Atlas Blue. But I think that was because we had sooooo many choices. You always wonder if you should or should not have gotten that other option... But we stuck with what we originally ordered and I think it was the right choice ithe first place.
Good luck with you decision!

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[JimMoran]

I ordered on 10/29, XLT, shied away from a Lariat because of the leather, but the Lariat had some options I couldn’t get on an XLT. Still no blend date on XLT. Found a Lariat about 150 miles from me with all the options I wanted. Picked it up 4 weeks ago, love it. Dealer is taking my XLT order if it ever gets built.

 

[boo radley]

I don't have BO sound or 360 camera.

The factory sound is fine. I've been driving without 360 assist for 40 years. Yeah, it's cool and all that, but not necessary.

You can buy and install after market running boards. I notice that some of Fords running boards are flimsy.

 

[Ranger621]

Easy to say get what you want, I did, but everyone's budget and situation is different. I plan on retiring with this truck so why not get what I wanted now so I can pay it off before that long waited day arrives. Everything but the moon roof. i don't care for them.

 

[texski]

Take a look at Ford's track record for Retail Orders over the past couple of years. They delete features at THEIR discretion, and then charge $Thousands more. People that ordered King Ranch and higher in 21 and got rolled over to 22 lost interior and exterior led lighting, AC vent controls and digital readouts on the knobs, trailer connector ($900+ if ordered today), and the list goes on. Currently, Ford is choosing not to honor order specs for 22 models and deleting features like massaging seats (that are sold as part of a package), max recline, and more. I'm telling you the things I keep up with, that I am loosing on my 22 KR order. Ford has the nerve to charge full Retail prices for these features, but only credits Wholesale costs.

There is a chance that you may not get everything you order, or commodity restraints will keep your truck from being built. And since Ford probably won't release trim details until a week before order banks open again, they may not offer what you want in a package you are willing to pay. I think they made changes to the Bed Utility Group in 21 and forced people to step up to a higher trim level to get these features. Don't expect ANY meaningful communication from Ford about the progress of your order. And, if your dealership has not kept good records and they don't have 75% of their orders being sold to the people who placed those orders, then they will be banned from the orders for 3 months.

So the short of this is, it depends on what you are willing to go through to get what you want. MANY have placed their orders and just gave up.The best thing to do is find one on the lot, the best you can live with, and buy it. There is NO guarantee that you will get what you order! Ford can change their terms at an time and if you don't take it, the dealer will be happy to sell it to someone else for more money.

 

[Zengineer]

It took me 40+ years and probably 30+ vehicles to realize that the more I think about and only settle for whatI really want...the longer I'll be satisfied and keep a vehicle. In general and ignoring the weirdness the current used truck market, holding truck 6-8 years has worked out much better financially than vehicles I've only kept 2-4 years.

 

[Zengineer]

Take a look at Ford's track record for Retail Orders over the past couple of years. They delete features at THEIR discretion, and then charge $Thousands more. People that ordered King Ranch and higher in 21 and got rolled over to 22 lost interior and exterior led lighting, AC vent controls and digital readouts on the knobs, trailer connector ($900+ if ordered today), and the list goes on. Currently, Ford is choosing not to honor order specs for 22 models and deleting features like massaging seats (that are sold as part of a package), max recline, and more. I'm telling you the things I keep up with, that I am loosing on my 22 KR order. Ford has the nerve to charge full Retail prices for these features, but only credits Wholesale costs.

There is a chance that you may not get everything you order, or commodity restraints will keep your truck from being built. And since Ford probably won't release trim details until a week before order banks open again, they may not offer what you want in a package you are willing to pay. I think they made changes to the Bed Utility Group in 21 and forced people to step up to a higher trim level to get these features. Don't expect ANY meaningful communication from Ford about the progress of your order. And, if your dealership has not kept good records and they don't have 75% of their orders being sold to the people who placed those orders, then they will be banned from the orders for 3 months.

So the short of this is, it depends on what you are willing to go through to get what you want. MANY have placed their orders and just gave up.The best thing to do is find one on the lot, the best you can live with, and buy it. There is NO guarantee that you will get what you order! Ford can change their terms at an time and if you don't take it, the dealer will be happy to sell it to someone else for more money.

Any other Ford I've purchased before my 2022 was a simple x-plan minus rebates from a local dealers lot. Never felt like I needed to special order. I have a dozen dealers within a 20 mile or so radius and they all had dozens if not hundreds of F150s or whatever else I was in the market for. In April I decided to sell my 2020 Lariat since it was worth more or less what I paid 25 months earlier, and just planned to special order a 22 when it sold and get into the latest generation. When it sold in May I got back into this and other online forums to get familiar with the new models. That's when the quadruple whammy of price increases, limits on some options, long waits and the 22 oder cut-off hit me. I could, and expected to wait until November or December but with a 23 being the only order option and knowing I'd be behind tens of thousands of 22's converted to 23's and people (and dealers) scrambling to order the minute the 23 ordering opened in July, plus the uncertainty of whether October would actually be the 23 start of production it was obvious I might very well not see a special order until 8 or 10 months from now.

I sat down an hour or so every few days and started searching nationwide. After a few days I found a truck that was 95% what I was planning to order and the differences were that it had 2 options I would have not picked: Unleashed B&O and Active 2.0/BlueCruise. Color, trim, wheels and everything else was right. And, because it was ordered in 2021 and built early 2022 (minus some parts) it avoided the price hikes of about $3800 compared to the current 2022 "Build and Price" . It finally shipped to the dealer a few days before I found it and the guy who ordered it couldn't qualify for a loan.. And who knows what 2023 prices will be. Yes, it was states away and they wouldn't do x plan but what we settled on was right around current price invoice and no doubt under 2023 invoice...and I got it in a week instead of 6-10 months from now.
It isn't going to work for everyone but it's worth a shot. Mine even has the elusive park assist that I'll probably never use.

 

[ajhamz2]

Any other Ford I've purchased before my 2022 was a simple x-plan minus rebates from a local dealers lot. Never felt like I needed to special order. I have a dozen dealers within a 20 mile or so radius and they all had dozens if not hundreds of F150s or whatever else I was in the market for. In April I decided to sell my 2020 Lariat since it was worth more or less what I paid 25 months earlier, and just planned to special order a 22 when it sold and get into the latest generation. When it sold in May I got back into this and other online forums to get familiar with the new models. That's when the quadruple whammy of price increases, limits on some options, long waits and the 22 oder cut-off hit me. I could, and expected to wait until November or December but with a 23 being the only order option and knowing I'd be behind tens of thousands of 22's converted to 23's and people (and dealers) scrambling to order the minute the 23 ordering opened in July, plus the uncertainty of whether October would actually be the 23 start of production it was obvious I might very well not see a special order until 8 or 10 months from now.

I sat down an hour or so every few days and started searching nationwide. After a few days I found a truck that was 95% what I was planning to order and the differences were that it had 2 options I would have not picked: Unleashed B&O and Active 2.0/BlueCruise. Color, trim, wheels and everything else was right. And, because it was ordered in 2021 and built early 2022 (minus some parts) it avoided the price hikes of about $3800 compared to the current 2022 "Build and Price" . It finally shipped to the dealer a few days before I found it and the guy who ordered it couldn't qualify for a loan.. And who knows what 2023 prices will be. Yes, it was states away and they wouldn't do x plan but what we settled on was right around current price invoice and no doubt under 2023 invoice...and I got it in a week instead of 6-10 months from now.
It isn't going to work for everyone but it's worth a shot. Mine even has the elusive park assist that I'll probably never use.

Curious as to how, in this high demand/low supply market, you were able to negotiate close to invoice? So many dealers are saying MSRP at minimum since it’s so easy to offload them to buyers. I love to negotiate big purchases (homes, cars), but felt I wouldn’t have much of a leg to stand on in this environment. In my case, powerboost lariats are unicorns. Any tips would be appreciated.

 

[Zengineer]

Curious as to how, in this high demand/low supply market, you were able to negotiate close to invoice? So many dealers are saying MSRP at minimum since it’s so easy to offload them to buyers. I love to negotiate big purchases (homes, cars), but felt I wouldn’t have much of a leg to stand on in this environment. In my case, powerboost lariats are unicorns. Any tips would be appreciated.

I may have written that in a convoluted way. I meant my truck's sticker MSRP was at late 2021 or early 2022 pricing...which is slightly over what current MY 22 pricing invoice would be (if you could actually order) and probably at or under what a MY23 will invoice at. I'm not trying to claim I got the deal of the century or under the legendary Granger prices I see mentioned. I didn't steal it. Just saying that even a little under MSRP on a pre-price increase MY22 is probably as good as a MY23 around invoice or even under...and didn't take 8 months.

Not everyone will find what they want on a lot and not every dealer who has inventory will let it go at or under MSRP, a d I suspect a larger dealer would have found a way to bump the sticker to current pricing once the customer's financing fell apart but if I got lucky, others might too.

I don't know the powerboost market, my struggle was finding Iconic Silver, Lariat 502A Sport with max tow, tow mirrors and 6.5 box. I have the regular 3.5 Ecoboost but would have been fine with the 5.0 V8.

 

[ajhamz2]

I may have written that in a convoluted way. I meant my truck's MSRP was at late 2021 or early 2022 pricing...which is slightly over current MY 22 invoice would be if you could actually order and probably at or under what a MY23 will invoice at. I'm not trying to claim I got the deal of the century or under the legendary Granger prices I see mentioned. Just saying that even a little under MSRP on a pre-price increase MY22 is probably as good as a MY23 around invoice or even under...and didn't take 8 months.

Not everyone will find what they want on a lot and not every dealer who has inventory will let it go at or under MSRP, a d I suspect a larger dealer would have found a way to bump the sticker to current pricing once the customer's financing fell apart but if I got lucky, others might too.

I don't know the powerboost market, my struggle was finding Iconic Silver, Lariat 502A Sport with max tow, tow mirrors and 6.5 box. I have the regular 3.5 Ecoboost but would have been fine with the 5.0 V8.

Ahhh, gotcha. Yeah, long beds are very tough to find. Awesome you were able to find something on a lot that wasn’t spoken for and that you didn’t have to pay MSRP or above for.

 

[texski]

Any other Ford I've purchased before my 2022 was a simple x-plan minus rebates from a local dealers lot. Never felt like I needed to special order. I have a dozen dealers within a 20 mile or so ...

Good for you! Well thought out and a great example of not buying the narrative that Ford is pushing. Your logic was spot on. I needed a "loaner" until I received my 22 King Ranch 6.5' bed was built. Because the 22 KR was built in 12/21, it beat the price increase.


AJ,
In Feb of this year, I purchased a 22 KR off the lot and ordered a 22 KR 6.5' bed at the same time. I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, and must have contacted 20+ dealers in Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana. If the dealers had a 22 Lariat or above on the lot, they wanted MSRP + market adj of $5K to $10K. A few would order at MSRP. I got both of these at X-Plan pricing, no trade, no financing. I fully expect to get more than I paid for the 5.5' bed "loaner" I purchased when I trade it in as invoice has already increased $3,800.

All this to say, dealers are making a KILLING! Where they used to make $hundreds on many deals, they are now making $8K+ on each vehicle. Profits (I don't care how many units they move) are through the roof and seasoned salesmen told me they haven't made this much money in 20 years.

The short, dealerships have different philosophies. Some are publicly traded and their decision makers say sell with market adjustment. Others, like the few I found, are in it for the long run, and are willing to respectfully negotiate. I found several that were willing to do $1K over invoice, but it takes hours of work and patience.

 

[Payup]

My only regret is actually ordering a truck. I should have just gotten the ones available on the lots back in February.

 

[dhrandy]

360 assist isn't available on lariat 500a ir 501 but most everything else you mentioned can be added.

That really stinks, was available in 2021. I'm super happy with my order and have no regrets.

 

[Cb Mw]

That really stinks, was available in 2021. I'm super happy with my order and have no regrets.

Nice. Yeah that was the biggest issue with my 22 order. Everything else I shrugged off but not getting assist is disappointing.

 

[Zengineer]

Good for you! Well thought out and a great example of not buying the narrative that Ford is pushing. Your logic was spot on. I needed a "loaner" until I received my 22 King Ranch 6.5' bed was built. Because the 22 KR was built in 12/21, it beat the .....

I was well aware of mark ups over MSRP in the high end sports and luxury car world and maybe Ford GT's or really rare editions but honestly didn't know it was happening with ICE pickups until reading here. In the metro Detroit area there is a high density of car dealers and a high percentage of sales are A plan, X plan or some other employee plan since GM, Stelantis, Ford and to some degree Nissan have a big presence here. I doubt dealers around here would get away with much of that nonsense without being hurt long term, even in today's market...but I'm sure somebody will tell me that some are.

As some have mentioned, you can do a 20 mile radius search on Ford's site and then edit the URL changing the 20 to 500 to see a big chunk at a time. The dealer that had my truck was in a fairly remote area, appears to still be family owned and one of the smallest I've ever seen. I'm not sure they have more than 3 or 4 people in sales.

I'm still sorting a minor issue with them so I'll leave them out of any posts for now.

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