Oil catch can / Lithium Battery

[agentorange]

Anyone used the Fathouse Fab Oil catch can w/ the antigravity battery?

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[Blueshound]

What the heck is that? It looks like it is from James Bond movie.

 

[Dixie]

As someone that has done those types of mods to other vehicles, I would say they’re a waste of money. At best, there is nothing about a standard battery that needs upgrading from a functionality standpoint. They might save you some weight, but who cares, it’s a truck. Catch cans (in the vast majority of applications) are a gimmick and are not needed on any of the gen 14 powertrains

 

[Merccat]

A catch can is important for early direct injection engines where the engineers didn’t realize fuel flowing across the valves was important to keep them clean. Modern engines have injectors on both sides of the valves so that the valves get enough fuel moving across them to keep them clean.

Long explanation, that scotty guy explains it pretty good. Long story short, not going to make much difference other than satisfying curiosity.

A lithium battery might be interesting, not so much from the weight savings perspective but rather the lifespan… but for the purpose of a truck there are other options that might have similar performance/longevity but without the fire risk. One that looks interesting is silica salt cell batteries. They are supposed to perform like lithium but are safer at the cost of additional weight.

 

[agentorange]

Thanks for the input. As "Merccat" said, oil catch cans are pretty important with the new direct injection engines and I don't want oil lining the inside of my intake runners. The lithium battery is about 20-25 lbs ligther that the lead-cell battery. My truck is my new hot rod. It will be a street/strip rig, so I'm looking to save weight in the process. I just wanted to know if anyone has used this one in particular as its "made for" a mustang, though I think it mounts the same.

 

[Eighthtry]

That thing looks like it can add hp

 

[Iroquois Cage]

As someone that has done those types of mods to other vehicles, I would say they’re a waste of money. At best, there is nothing about a standard battery that needs upgrading from a functionality standpoint. They might save you some weight, but who cares, it’s a truck. Catch cans (in the vast majority of applications) are a gimmick and are not needed on any of the gen 14 powertrains

4k Miles worth from my 5.0

Gimmick? I think not.

 

[Riddick]

Ran this set up in my 5.0. Fathouse makes great parts but they are costly. This battery has more CCA compared to the stock battery.

This is not designed for a daily driver, made for weekend cruisers/track set ups. While it has more CCA the capacity is less. This dropped 30 pounds off the front end which is pretty good.

Again, not designed for daily duty use.... especially for trucks.

 

[mdomicolo]

Just wondering why you decided to use the VMP over the Whipple.

 

[Riddick]

Just wondering why you decided to use the VMP over the Whipple.

I will start this off by saying that if both blowers were available today I would go with the Whipple, I did this build years ago so its dated by todays standards. However, I have always been a huge fan of TVS blowers and still love them. I have had 2 TVS 2300s over the years and the last car I built had a 2650 on it (13 GT). They hit extremely hard down low and still make great power.

Truth be told the Whipple and TVS blower will make enough power to put a hole in your stock block. The Whipple will make more peak power over a TVS when spun to the max but that prolly accounts for 5-10% of people modding their vehicle. For your average joe running pump gasoline they will make very similar power.

My car was nothing crazy but it made great power for what it was. The car put down 870ish to the wheels and ran 9.3@153 in the 1/4. I did this on roughly 13 psi of boost and could of easily pushed it harder but in my opinion anything more I would of started to have issues with potentially the engine long term, trans, and rear end.

 

[missileboy]

Catch cans (in the vast majority of applications) are a gimmick and are not needed on any of the gen 14 powertrains

Please share your wisdom! What applications used do you think they are not a gimmick?

Iroquos Cage, I get a similar amount in these colder months and am so glad I don't let that crap go back into my intake.

 

[Riddick]

Please share your wisdom! What applications used do you think they are not a gimmick?

Iroquos Cage, I get a similar amount in these colder months and am so glad I don't let that crap go back into my intake.

To catch can or not to catch can is a highly subjective subject amongst automotive forums. Catch cans serve 2 purposes, the first is to collect the vapors and liquid before entering the intake tract. Second is to relieve crankcase pressure from the engine, this is more common in high hp applications. To answer your question...... In my opinion the first gen 3.5 Ecoboost engines were a great application for catch cans as they were fairly dirty engines. These motors were direct injection only and had a descent amount of blowby and also had issues with condensation forming in the charge pipes near the intercooler. Catch cans on these engines helped and were very popular for that reason. Were they needed, absolutely not as there are thousands of these engines on the road with several hundred thousands of miles.

In my opinion catch cans are indeed a gimmick and a total waste of money on low hp OEM vehicles. Yes, your catch can will catch VAPORS and once these VAPORS cool they turn into what you see in the above pics. I also would like to point out catch cans do NOT catch 100% of these vapors and a good amount still makes it way back into the engine. I will admit these vapors do leave a residue within the intake tract of your engine leading to the intake ports/combustion chamber. However, the residue looks nothing like what's posted in the photos above. Pull your intake pipe/charge pipe at the throttle body and look for yourself. More than likely you are going to find a minimal amount oil in your throttle body that probably has a hint of fuel odor.

To eliminate these vapors/residue from entering your intake tract you need to vent the crankcase to atmosphere or run a catch can set up similar to the one posted in my pic above. In my pic the hoses from the valve cover run to the catch can and the vapors vent to atmosphere. The inline catch can above only intercepts a small portion and the rest still enters the engine.

 

[Sig Oris]

4k Miles worth from my 5.0

Gimmick? I think not.

I was skeptical too until I installed one and saw how much goop it caught.

 

[HolubS]

I have a catch can on my 2018 Mustang with the Ecoboost engine. I drain about a 1/4 cup every 4000 miles. Only installed it because of the turbo boost and the direct injection.

A friend of mine has a 2020 Ecoboost Mustang that was filling the catch can every 500 miles. Dealer discovered a bad part in the engine that fixed the problem.

Just ordered a 5.0 Lariat, probably won't put a catch can on it.

 

[v8440]

I probably will put one on the '24 rcsb I'll be getting soon. This is primarily because the engine will rarely warm up, since my work is 1 mile from my house. This is terribly hard on an engine and the catch can will probably help more than it would in a more normal vehicle usage scenario.

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