New Tundra Engines Blowing Up

[Polo08816]

I'm sure there's a poll somewhere out there probably run by nokia about people not seeing the need for a computer in their pocket. Now there's enough pocket computers in circulation to provide one to each of the 8 billion people on the planet. Toyota has been very slow to implement tech and it's that reason that my last toyota was an 08. Despite having at least a dozen or more being owned by the family, only 1 has been purchased since my 08 tundra.

Most consumers when polled say they support 'green' initiatives but when it comes to buying habits, the inverse is shown and they overwhelmingly reject them. In short, polls are mostly useless unless it's more of a feedback mechanism for something they already own. Polls are useless at gauging uptake for new tech. It's only after they experience does it become clear that it's a feature they can't do without. The tundra hybrid is a perfect example as it doesn't nothing of what the PB does and has no tricks up its sleeve to justify its existence to its owners.

It’s like the death penalty. Some people are opposed to the death penalty because of whatever reason. (I’m not saying their reasons are invalid). But when you ask them, “Cool. Let’s put that convict in the same room with your family” they change their tune. “Rules for thee but not for me.”

Sponsored

 

[FORDTEXAS]

And exactly why their Hybrid should have bloodied The Powerboost nose. I would have been thrilled with that Toyota Hybrid Prowess. Fully expected it too.

Still can't figure out why they didn't take their well earned territory from Ford.

Exactly, Toyota should have schooled Ford delivering a great hybrid option. Not a wimpy second class showing.

Toyota is known for making conservative and dependable vehicles. their niche isn't to beat FORD, RAM, CHEVY and GMC. most automotive gurus know that.

 

[Snakebitten]

Never claimed to be a guru.

But out-hybriding Toyota is strange regardless.

 

[780]

Yes but a prius is ugly
Even fusion hybrid was not what I would call eyecatching

I actually don't mind the new Prius..Prii? Priuses?

 

[wayfarer556]

Toyota is known for making conservative and dependable vehicles. their niche isn't to beat FORD, RAM, CHEVY and GMC. most automotive gurus know that.

Yeah, we know.

The point being made is that their conservative and dependable vehicles are no longer so dependable (the recall of engines blowing up being the topic of this thread) and they ain’t all that conservative anymore either.

So remove those two factors and what do you have left? A half ton pickup that does everything the F150 does but slightly worse in most metrics. And a hybrid model that’s just simply outclassed by fords hybrid model. While their hybrid Tundra is exempt from the recall, anyone who’s been paying attention is probably aware that the engines came from the same line and likely have the same underlying manufacturing issue. The electric engine likely does enough heavy lifting to prevent the ICE engine from being pushed to the point to where it would fail in the way the non hybrid models have been failing.

 

[HammaMan]

While their hybrid tundra is exempt from the recall, anyone who’s been paying attention is probably aware that the engines came from the same line and likely have the same underlying manufacturing issue. The electric engine likely does enough heavy lifting to precent the ICE engine being pushed to the point to where it would fail in the way the non hybrid models have been failing.

Yeah, I think this is political in nature. Odds are due to less hybrids being made, less showing issues so for the time being they're pretending like it's not an issue. I assume toyo is like others where the hybrids must be worked on by a tech who has HV cert and we know those are few and far between.

 

[wayfarer556]

Yeah, I think this is political in nature. Odds are due to less hybrids being made, less showing issues so for the time being they're pretending like it's not an issue. I assume toyo is like others where the hybrids must be worked on by a tech who has HV cert and we know those are few and far between.

Probably correct. There's really not that many Tundra Hybrid models being made, and they are locked behind the Tundra's version of Lariat trim. I think I've seen more Cybertrucks on the road than I have seen Hybrid Tundras lol. (And I look for them...hello fellow Hybrid full sized pickup owner, grant me your wisdom!)
Of all the Hybrid Tundra's on the road, how many are really being pushed to their limits? How many have reached 100k miles even? Very few I'm willing to wager. And if there is engines from these models affected by the recall, perhaps they are handled on a case by case basis.

 

[FORDTEXAS]

Yeah, we know.

The point being made is that their conservative and dependable vehicles are no longer so dependable (the recall of engines blowing up being the topic of this thread) and they ain’t all that conservative anymore either.

So remove those two factors and what do you have left? A half ton pickup that does everything the F150 does but slightly worse in most metrics. And a hybrid model that’s just simply outclassed by fords hybrid model. While their hybrid Tundra is exempt from the recall, anyone who’s been paying attention is probably aware that the engines came from the same line and likely have the same underlying manufacturing issue. The electric engine likely does enough heavy lifting to prevent the ICE engine from being pushed to the point to where it would fail in the way the non hybrid models have been failing.

i still wholeheartedly believe that people are blowing this out of proportion.

 

[wayfarer556]

i still wholeheartedly believe that people are blowing this out of proportion.

How are people blowing out of proportion a manufacturer recall that covers every engine of every Tundra made in the 2022, 2023, and some of the 2024 model year? And also Lexus SUVs with the engine too? Toyota would not have done this unless they didn’t have another choice.

Edit to add that I meant all non hybrid versions of this engine.

 

[Abraham5G]

Does this affect the Sequoia, Land Cruiser, GX, and LX as well?

 

[24STX5.0]

Does this affect the Sequoia, Land Cruiser, GX, and LX as well?

Per post #1, Tundra and LX.

 

[wayfarer556]

Does this affect the Sequoia, Land Cruiser, GX, and LX as well?

Hybrids are not affected according to Toyota, and if I recall correctly you can only get those with the hybrid. I would wager those engines have the same underlying defect though. Not sure if the hybrid powertrain truly means it’s a non issue or if this will come up again for them in the future.

 

[md2000]

Come on, If someone gave me a new Landcruiser for free, I would totally take it! The Tundra has never been a big seller for Toyota and they haven’t offered one that would appeal to me for a while now.

Everyone also shouldn’t forget that a Toyota spokesperson told customers that if they want a hybrid with a built in generator, to buy a Powerboost! That Toyota customers would rather save money.

Toyota has plenty of headroom with their CAFE numbers that they could easily have afforded keeping normally aspirated engines in their trucks for a few more years. They always try and milk the most time out of their platforms though and we’re going to see how their gamble pays off in the coming years. It seems like with the new generation full-size and mid-size trucks and SUVs, Toyota tried to do the least while charging the most!

Tacoma owners pretty much always depended on resale value, reliability and simplicity but who knows what becomes of the current generation from Toyota. Ford still offers a naturally aspirated V8, even after making their twin turbo V6 trucks for over a decade. That is something Toyota should have paid attention to. Toyota could have saved face with a V8 still being offered in the Tundra. When you only rely on one engine design and it has problems; it reflects on your entire brand. Bringing back the 4.0 V6 for the Tacoma would have been a great move too and they could have limited it to certain trims or just the manual transmission. Engine options are a good thing. Not everyone wants a turbo 4 or 6, even if it’s faster or gets better MPG on paper.

Toyota got greedy and cheap with their new trucks. No matter what the shills are saying in automotive media, the new Tacoma is an overpriced disappointment, I took a long test ride in one and the seats were even more uncomfortable than the 2021 that I also drove around for a while. My legs hurt for the rest of the day after driving the 2024 and the turbo whine and wind noise on the highway was super annoying. The kicker is that the 2024 Tacoma I drove had an MSRP of $50,000!!! You can get a Supercrew F-150 STX with the V8 for the same price! Toyota have lost their minds and so have Tacoma owners who have been paying the crazy prices for their midsize trucks. The Ranger isn’t that much better but at least you can get a V6 if you really want one.

this is literally the conclusion i got to. Kept my gen 13 F for 16 year old, and wanted another Tacoma - 24’ TRD Off-road for me. Pricing was just too steep in light of the whispers of concern surrounding the 2.4L turbo and then there’s the TFL video showing them blowing up the front diff on a not-so-difficult rock. Went for my 3rd F150 and got that 24’ STX with 5.0, 3.73, tow package with IBC for $6000 under msrp. Such a steal compared to the Taco….

 

[24STX5.0]

got that 24’ STX with 5.0, 3.73, tow package with IBC for $6000 under msrp. Such a steal compared to the Taco….

Fist bump.

 

[FirstTimeFrank]

FYI, The Car Care Nut is pretty versed in Toyota maintenance and repair. His video has the best explanation of what’s going on - at least amongst what I’ve seen/read. As others have noted, the recalled twin turbo V6 (V35A-FTS) in the Tundra has been in production since 2017. It’s also in the current Lexus LX, Lexus GX, Toyota Sequoia. There’s something very specific to the 2024 Tundra.

Sponsored