Well now... V8 Hemi-Powered Ram 1500 is back

[Alumacomp]

That’s not correct. In the Ford lineup the 5.0 liter V8 nearly matches the more powerful TT 3.5 in performance and beats it in towing fuel economy and reliability and costs less too.

In Canada, the 5.0 is $4000 more than the 2.7 and $1925 more than the 3.5 when optioned on a XLT.

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[Oldfart]

For what?

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[JCsTruck]

According to this article the e-torque gets 2 mpg better city and 1 highway vs regular HEMI and it can tow more than the Hurricane V6 too.

https://www.slashgear.com/1027805/the-14-most-reliable-pickup-trucks-of-all-time-ranked/

 

[Larrymoe]

According to this article the e-torque gets 2 mpg better city and 1 highway vs regular HEMI and it can tow more than the Hurricane V6 too.

https://www.slashgear.com/1027805/the-14-most-reliable-pickup-trucks-of-all-time-ranked/

Wow. 2mpg? Look out!!

 

[JCsTruck]

Wow. 2mpg? Look out!!

Same difference between the 2.7 and 5.0 respectively or around there. ?

 

[Larrymoe]

Same difference between the 2.7 and 5.0 respectively or around there. ?

Which is why I don't understand why Ford is torturing V6s with quad turbos to make the same HP and MPG they can get out of a half asleep Coyote.

 

[fmdog44]

Its the same engine from how long ago ? i get it , the sound is awesome but it offers nothing else over both turbo 6 engines. And 1200 upcharge is comical .

I had an 04 Hemi 345 HP and it was not impressive because the tranny shifted like it was dying. I had to wait a year for Superhips to come out with a program then it shifted real nice. I installed aluminum headers and that kicked in the butt when it hit second gear. RAM will not adopt a sport truck like the R/T so I will stay with my 2021 5.0 XL

 

[JCsTruck]

Which is why I don't understand why Ford is torturing V6s with quad turbos to make the same HP and MPG they can get out of a half asleep Coyote.

One word and that is “emissions”. Lower emissions.

The 5.0 punches well above its weight with volumetric efficiency (VE) in the 90%-95% range at peak torque and ~ 90% at peak HP. Its not exactly “half asleep” . Many lesser pushrod V8 engines are lucky to achieve 85% VE.

With the turbos the 2.7 and 3.5 Ecoboost engines are in the range of 100-120% VE thanks to those turbos. ?

 

[Larrymoe]

One word and that is “emissions”. Lower emissions.

The 5.0 punches well above its weight with volumetric efficiency (VE) in the 90%-95% range at peak torque and ~ 90% at peak HP. Its not exactly “half asleep” . Many lesser pushrod V8 engines are lucky to achieve 85% VE.

With the turbos the 2.7 and 3.5 Ecoboost engines are in the range of 100-120% VE thanks to those turbos. ?

If you're burning the same amount of fuel, that is what matters for emissions standards.

 

[JCsTruck]

But you're not burning the same amount of fuel. The 2.7L EcoBoost achieves ~ 20 MPG
city and 26 MPG highway. The 3.5L gets ~18 MPG city and 24 MPG highway. The 5.0L Coyote gets ~17 MPG city/23 MPG highway.

The smaller displacement turbocharged engines produce fewer CO2 emissions per mile due to better fuel economy and the turbochargers optimize combustion which reduce unburned hydrocarbons compared to the V8. ??‍

 

[JExpedition07]

Dodge has switched direction completely, you guys need to realize the amount of work that goes into certifying an engine for emissions. SRT is working on a new Hemi (now, rushing) but it’s takes 1.5/2 years to get certified. Ram is bleeding, nobody wants the V6. Like it or not it’s the truth, sales have fallen 30%. That’s detrimental and the ships sinking fast. Bringing back the all ready certified Hemi plugs the hole, and the permanent patch will be a new gen V8 with port/direct injection and higher compression. A few SRT engineers have said they just got an urgent project and that is to design a new gen aluminum Hemi and get it to market by MY 2028.

They cannot just shake the wand, all they can do is return the current engine for now until the new Hemi goes through development and emissions certification.

Lastly, with a new Hemi coming, a new GM small block….id bet Ford is SCRAMBLING behind the scenes to figure out what’s next for the Modular V8 program. Because I know Ford was just caught off guard with this, and is also likely being forced to change course overnight.

 

[JExpedition07]

This is why competition is good, because if Ford sits back and does *nothing* they risk losing the 20-30% of sales the Coyote makes up to the new more powerful domestic V8 engines coming down the pipe for MY 27 and 28.

The challenge is real, make a more powerful engine than means stricter emissions.

 

[Jeff1024]

Dodge has switched direction completely, you guys need to realize the amount of work that goes into certifying an engine for emissions. SRT is working on a new Hemi (now, rushing) but it’s takes 1.5/2 years to get certified. Ram is bleeding, nobody wants the V6. Like it or not it’s the truth, sales have fallen 30%. That’s detrimental and the ships sinking fast. Bringing back the all ready certified Hemi plugs the hole, and the permanent patch will be a new gen V8 with port/direct injection and higher compression. A few SRT engineers have said they just got an urgent project and that is to design a new gen aluminum Hemi and get it to market by MY 2028.

They cannot just shake the wand, all they can do is return the current engine for now until the new Hemi goes through development and emissions certification.

Lastly, with a new Hemi coming, a new GM small block….id bet Ford is SCRAMBLING behind the scenes to figure out what’s next for the Modular V8 program. Because I know Ford was just caught off guard with this, and is also likely being forced to change course overnight.

Like I said we really do live in a Golden Age of engines....I dont worry much about the longevity of my EcoBoost and while the horsepower wars will continue as you pointed out above 400hp/500tq is plenty for what I need.

Now if only we could get this same level of refinement and advancement in Transmissions...the 10R60 I do worry about.....

 

[HammaMan]

I stand by my previous posts. None of the V-8’s of previous gen’s come even close to outperforming the newer turbo engines, are there growing pains in the first few years of production….absolutely, but if you drove each of the above trucks and compared the the old engine versus the newer engine there’s is absolutely no comparison. The V-8’s lose in every category. Same goes for our Fords, I have several friends with 5.0‘s and I drove a couple 5.0’s when making my purchase, the V-8’s are just old technology compared to these newer more powerful engines. Will this pattern continue….Couldn’t tell you , but it’s hard to get a guy back into a truck with less power, less acceleration and worse fuel mileage.

The industry has been trending forced induction for quite a while. It's been a trend more so in europe for their shitboxes for a good minute. Ford was really the first to move into higher powered mainstream gas applications. They just started to turbo everything. Now you can't really find too many halo vehicles w/out some type of blower or turbo, or the true monsters with hybrid motors.

The number of cylinders has little to do with it being 'new tech' or 'old tech'. GMs 5.5l showed up in 21, the TT version of that engine making a factory 1060 hp isn't even out yet. Lamborghini has a new TT V8 as well replacing its V10. Ferrari is using 3 liter TT V6 with hybrid motors to make over 800hp.
The 5.0 V8 used to make less than half of the power that it does today, however, turbos are hard to beat for truck things. To get the 5.0 trucks to move the same as the 3.5s they need to turn the RPM and make a whole bunch more noise.

I get it, there are some whose lack of sufficient peen size dictates they must use loud exhaust due to the inverse compensation law. For those suffering with tiny peen, sucks, but p

 

[Jeff1024]

The industry has been trending forced induction for quite a while.

The 5.0 V8 used to make less than half of the power that it does today, however, turbos are hard to beat for truck things. To get the 5.0 trucks to move the same as the 3.5s they need to turn the RPM and make a whole bunch more noise.

Put the 5.0 and the 3.5 torque curves on a graph. Dont label which is which - hand it to anyone serious about doing truck things and the decision should be over in about a second. The 3.5 is a torque monster and it builds that torque almost off idle.

If you took all the BS out of the equation - which I get is impossible - but no mention of exhaust note or preconceived notions that a truck should have a proper V8 or belief that forced induction is still magic and complex in the year 2025 the decision really is easy.

What I dont think gets talked about enough is that the 3.5 was purpose built to be a truck engine. Ford designed it /w the F150 and towing heavy in mind. The 5.0 has to pull double duty as a truck engine and a Muscle Car V8. I know Ford has made some changes in the F150 version to build more low end torque, but in the end to make power in the 5.0 you have to spin it to the moon, which is fine, but even doing that the 3.5 still makes more hp and torque while its casually rolling along at 2,000rpm.

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