2023 PB, should I buy it?

[Eighthtry]

I will comment on the most controversial part of the powerboost. This is my opinion and is not based on anything other than what I read on Lithium-ion batteries. And I read plenty.

Park the truck at least 30 feet from your house. When lithium-Ion's catch on fire it is difficult to control. I will buy no lithium-ion electric anything, including a toothbrush, until the lithium-ion combustion problem is solved.

I suspect the other electric assists also have the same set up.

From what I read on this forum those that have powerboosts absolutley love them. I have not driven one.

I did drove a 2024 1794 Tundra yesterday. It has integrated it's powerboost nicely with the transmission. It operates smoothly and linearly with no drama.....unlike my 2023 GMC Yukon Denali XL 6.2 and my 2021 F150 Lariat 5.0, both gas. Remember, GMC and Ford co-developed the 10 speed. The aftermarket will likely solve its problems at some point.

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[Eskram]

I will comment on the most controversial part of the powerboost. This is my opinion and is not based on anything other than what I read on Lithium-ion batteries. And I read plenty.

Park the truck at least 30 feet from your house. When lithium-Ion's catch on fire it is difficult to control. I will buy no lithium-ion electric anything, including a toothbrush, until the lithium-ion combustion problem is solved.

I suspect the other electric assists also have the same set up.

From what I read on this forum those that have powerboosts absolutley love them. I have not driven one.

I did drove a 2024 1794 Tundra yesterday. It has integrated it's powerboost nicely with the transmission. It operates smoothly and linearly with no drama.....unlike my 2023 GMC Yukon Denali XL 6.2 and my 2021 F150 Lariat 5.0, both gas. Remember, GMC and Ford co-developed the 10 speed. The aftermarket will likely solve its problems at some point.

Well... Your opinion is very much not fact.

Just toss anything you own that might have a lithium battery.

Edit: including the device you used to post this... ?

 

[Captain Dirty Beard]

The engine 12V the ICE starter, the rear seat 12V controls the electrical/electronic stuff. If either is low you’re not going anywhere. Some argue that most of the warnings popping up for various maladies are related to low 12V issues. The electronic are very finicky re voltage. Test BOTH batteries. If either is bad it will be a parasitic draw on the second . Most dealers replace one but this is probably a mistake and one or other will likely fail again. If either is bad you may have to replace both for reliability.

Thanks. Yeah Im the type that will lose sleep of such things, so Im just going to replace both. I think this truck sat on the lot for almost a year.

 

[Captain Dirty Beard]

I will comment on the most controversial part of the powerboost. This is my opinion and is not based on anything other than what I read on Lithium-ion batteries. And I read plenty.

Park the truck at least 30 feet from your house. When lithium-Ion's catch on fire it is difficult to control. I will buy no lithium-ion electric anything, including a toothbrush, until the lithium-ion combustion problem is solved.

I suspect the other electric assists also have the same set up.

From what I read on this forum those that have powerboosts absolutley love them. I have not driven one.

I did drove a 2024 1794 Tundra yesterday. It has integrated it's powerboost nicely with the transmission. It operates smoothly and linearly with no drama.....unlike my 2023 GMC Yukon Denali XL 6.2 and my 2021 F150 Lariat 5.0, both gas. Remember, GMC and Ford co-developed the 10 speed. The aftermarket will likely solve its problems at some point.

Looks like it's about 3" too long to fit in my garage, but my wife's Tesla is sure to kill us anyway. lol.

 

[Eighthtry]

I understand. You pay your money and take your risks. Maybe battery fires are inevitable. Maybe I should just not use lithium-ion batteries at all.

You are correct with your comment about living with lithium-ion batteries. However you fail to address the lack of technology in a vehicle of any kind that will go up in flames. Sure regular lead acid batteries have gone up in smoke. No denying that is a fact. The inability to manage the risks of lithium-ion is a fail. While regular batteries may burn, they can be put out with a fire extinguisher. While lithium-ion batteries burn they might not be extinguished at all.

Boeing experienced similar lithium-ion problems when they introduced these batteries in 787. Guess what? Several airlines reported battery fires. Boeing ultimately designed a battery that had more insulation between the cells, and probably included some other technology of which I cannot remember. It did succeed in minimizing the problem. It did not solve the problem. We don't drive airliners however.

An untested technology forced on consumers from a "I'm with the government and I am here to help you" forcing car manufacturers that already struggle just to meet everyday EPA standards is close to criminal. Energy density is nice, but not at the expense of human lives.

So I will continue to NOT buy battery powered transportation without some improvement of spontaneous combustion.

Now on the upside of "I'm from the government and I am here to help you", my Z06 650 hp/torque is a direct result of EPA and California restrictions that the carmakers struggled to attain by using Rube Goldberg contraptions and primitive computers. I was almost pedaling my 455 1974 Cutlass Salon. Several technologies had to merge together, however, to get us where we are today.

How long did it take to get here beginning in 1971? Ummmmmm. Awhile. Maybe battery power works. Maybe baking soda is the key. Maybe dirty socks. There is a ton of technology packed into our trucks that is still not ready for prime time. Lane centering and Blue Cruise are prime examples. And Ford is a leader in this technology.

So, here we are as members of the great unwashed that worship our politicians and serve as the test bed for these technologies. Batteries may get there, but it will be at your and my expense, time, and productivity which can possibly cost us our lives.

I should thank the world for allowing me to serve as a foot soldier standing in front of enemy .50 caliber machine guns to see if they really work.

"Mine is not to question why, mine is just to do or die", an admittedly loose quote from Alfred, Lord Tennyson from "The Charge of the Light Brigade". https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45319/the-charge-of-the-light-brigade You will probably need to copy and paste this because I do not know how to make it a clickable link. Not the EPA's fault however.

 

[bdginmo]

So I will continue to NOT buy battery powered transportation without some improvement of spontaneous combustion.

If the fire risk has you concerned then I would suggest not getting a car at all. ICE vehicles are more likely to catch fire than an EV.

 

[bdginmo]

Looks like it's about 3" too long to fit in my garage, but my wife's Tesla is sure to kill us anyway. lol.

Is this yours?

 

[Samson16]

So, here we are as members of the great unwashed that worship our politicians

Speak for yourself. All hail Elon!

 

[Jekyll]

Avoiding lithium batteries is becoming extremely difficult unless living like Bigfoot. My grandson's school-provided Chrome Book exploded in his backpack, on his back, as he was exiting his school bus and entering his school.

 

[Captain Dirty Beard]

Is this yours?

It is. Picked it up Saturday morning

 

[bdginmo]

It is. Picked it up Saturday morning

I had a Ranger on order specifically because I wanted a truck that would fit in my garage. However, given that my Ranger order has been "In Production" for over 100 days and that I could get a great deal on existing 23 F-150 stock I decided to go with the F-150 instead. Like you it doesn't fit in the garage, but considering I got a lot more truck I'm okay with that.

 

[nomarhits400]

Speak for yourself. All hail Elon!

Right? “Worship our politicians”??? He can’t be serious…..

 

[amschind]

The PB isn't well optimized from a practical standpoint (it's super optimized from the standpoint of a 17 year old boy), but they do what they are supposed to. I have done a lot TO my truck, but none of it because I had to. A few PBs have odd electrical gremlins, but a look at the service records should confirm that's not present.

 

[HammaMan]

I will comment on the most controversial part of the powerboost. This is my opinion and is not based on anything other than what I read on Lithium-ion batteries. And I read plenty.

Park the truck at least 30 feet from your house. When lithium-Ion's catch on fire it is difficult to control. I will buy no lithium-ion electric anything, including a toothbrush, until the lithium-ion combustion problem is solved.

Li-ion doesn't spontaneously combust. Fire comes from overcharging or damage. The PB's batt only can be charged with the engine running and won't even charge to 70% unless it's already warm. As for puncturing its batt, if that's occurred there's much bigger problems for the truck given its location.

What do you do for cordless power tools? Any worth owning has a lithium battery in it.

 

[Eighthtry]

If the fire risk has you concerned then I would suggest not getting a car at all. ICE vehicles are more likely to catch fire than an EV.

I agree with your finding. However, go to this link for some additional insight. You may have to copy and paste. I am not good at mastering this new monthly pay Windows program.

https://red.msudenver.edu/2024/though-rare-fires-in-electric-vehicles-pose-serious-risks/

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