F-150 vs. new Tundra

[GypsyDanger]

In all fairness, as legendary as phasers (3.5) and oil consumption (5.0) has been on F150 forums, on the Gen14 trucks it has all but vanished.

Both improvements were long waited for. It's quiet regarding is pleasant.

Long over due and I'm happy seeing people selecting options to fit their needs no longer have to compromise it seems. Now we just need to dial in Fords ability to not botch or launch garbage software.

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[powerboatr]

Let me swim, or wade
I have owned f series trucks since 1988
One expedition and 2 edges and now a Explorer st. Gas and diesels
F350sand f250s
And one giant turd 1984 s10 4x4 blazer
Honestly I can put on 2 fingers the times my f series left me stranded and had to be towed in for repairs, one was an engine ecm ground wire,(my fault), one for flooded charcoal canister after a fill up in hot hot south Texas
I have my share of ac not cold enough. And a 1988 short box4x4 5.0 that destroyed u joints. From driving it like I stole it.
One turbo, on 06 6.0
One high pressure oil pump QD on the 06 6.0
I had one pano room changed for warranty when it shit the track, on the 13
2 batteries on the 22
Overall. I say a dam good run with ford's
I bet my batting average is very high
never said they were trouble free, but over all i have been a happy ford customer
Toyota is fully
New gmc 3500 is as well
But Chevy not to bad

 

[JExpedition07]

The 5.0L Ti-VCT V8 and 3.5L EcoBoost V6 are Fords darling engines, they’ve had issues in the runs but it’s always fixed. With evolution and updates, sometimes comes issues. The 2021+ versions have a crap load of differences from the older motors. You’d be hard pressed to find a part that interchanges between a 2020 5.0 and a 2021. I can’t find any major internal piece that’s the same down to the block casting # and crankshaft for the 5.0 between the 13th gen and 14th gen trucks. It’s a different engine in its entirely (and much improved thankfully).

 

[Calson]

Important to know the model year as a problem may be corrected with later model years. My 2018 SUV had a V-6 that originally had a problem with lubrication of the timing chain. GM increased the diameter of the hole for the oil feed and the problem went away. It took them 6 years to make the change to the engine - go figure. In 2010 the Ford diesel engines were the least reliable ones on the market. With the current version that is no longer the case.

There was a radical redesign of the engines and the motor oil formulations to meet the new EPA low viscosity requirements starting in 2017. Some shortcomings were likely corrected with the new versions.

 

[Samson16]

A co-worker bought a 2024 Tundra iForce Max Platinum 4x4 recently and he's having to lemon law his dream truck unfortunately.

I like my XLT

 

[Calson]

He is lucky. With my Ford they issued a recall notice for the defective wiper motor that could fail with no warning and so were off the hook with regard to the state lemon law. I lost much of the use of my truck for 18 months waiting for Ford to supply a replacement motor. I consider wipers an essential safety feature for all vehicles, much like brakes that work.

 

[nomarhits400]

He is lucky. With my Ford they issued a recall notice for the defective wiper motor that could fail with no warning and so were off the hook with regard to the state lemon law. I lost much of the use of my truck for 18 months waiting for Ford to supply a replacement motor. I consider wipers an essential safety feature for all vehicles, much like brakes that work.

You’ve got to be trolling at this point, right?

 

[24STX5.0]

One of the biggest Toyota proponents on YouTube just called the F-150 the best buy in light duty full sized pickups yesterday. For the F-150 specific discussion, skip to 9:15. The first nine minutes are about the Tundra recall:

 

[Gord0]

You’ve got to be trolling at this point, right?

Nah, he just likes to complain about everything.

 

[FORDTEXAS]

One of the biggest Toyota proponents on YouTube just called the F-150 the best buy in light duty full sized pickups yesterday. For the F-150 specific discussion, skip to 9:15. The first nine minutes are about the Tundra recall:

well for towing, capacity and of nature, yes the F150 is best half ton truck. however the other makes have their own betters than the F150.

 

[Calson]

What clown would complain about spending $65,000 for a truck and then having a safety defect that prevents driving it for all but short trips around town. Evidently people don't expect much from companies even when a good deal of money is involved - which makes them volunteers and not victim

I contacted a lemon law attorney when my truck was waiting for the recall part needed. He informed me that as Ford had issued a recall notice there was no recourse at all with the state's lemon law. This is a nice loophole that the auto makers exploit.

I drove my Chevy truck for 7 years with a defective Takata airbag inflator and knowing if I was in a head on collision myself and a front seat passenger could be killed. This is not right but then again many people go happily to their slaughter without a whimper.

I waited for the 2022 Toyota Tundra to arrive before making a purchase decision on a new truck. Rear bed access is terrible with the Tundra and the fuel economy and range is a lot less than with the F-150 or Ram 1500 trucks and there is no option for a locking rear differential and no limited slip differential options.

My key problems with the Ford were the wiper motor recall that took nearly two years to get fixed and the undersized H6 battery provided. I replaced the Motorcraft battery that was under warranty with a Optima H7 at my own expense and purchased a battery maintainer and a dedicated extension cord.

Anyone who has owned trucks over the years from a range of manufacturers (I have owned 5 Toyota, a Dodge, 3 Chevy, 3 Willys, and 2 Ford 4WD vehicles) knows that there will be design or engineering failures. Of the companies whose vehicles I have owned, Toyota has been the best at engineering them to minimize failures on the road. I put more than 170,000 miles on each of the Toyota 4WD pickups and never needed to do anything other than normal scheduled maintenance. That is why Toyota truck owners as a group are very loyal to the brand.

What I find pathetic are those who say they are Ford man or that their daddy only owned Fords and so that is all they would ever consider buying.

 

[Gord0]

What clown would complain about spending $65,000 for a truck and then having a safety defect that prevents driving it for all but short trips around town. Evidently people don't expect much from companies even when a good deal of money is involved - which makes them volunteers and not victim

I contacted a lemon law attorney when my truck was waiting for the recall part needed. He informed me that as Ford had issued a recall notice there was no recourse at all with the state's lemon law. This is a nice loophole that the auto makers exploit.

I drove my Chevy truck for 7 years with a defective Takata airbag inflator and knowing if I was in a head on collision myself and a front seat passenger could be killed. This is not right but then again many people go happily to their slaughter without a whimper.

I waited for the 2022 Toyota Tundra to arrive before making a purchase decision on a new truck. Rear bed access is terrible with the Tundra and the fuel economy and range is a lot less than with the F-150 or Ram 1500 trucks and there is no option for a locking rear differential and no limited slip differential options.

My key problems with the Ford were the wiper motor recall that took nearly two years to get fixed and the undersized H6 battery provided. I replaced the Motorcraft battery that was under warranty with a Optima H7 at my own expense and purchased a battery maintainer and a dedicated extension cord.

Anyone who has owned trucks over the years from a range of manufacturers (I have owned 5 Toyota, a Dodge, 3 Chevy, 3 Willys, and 2 Ford 4WD vehicles) knows that there will be design or engineering failures. Of the companies whose vehicles I have owned, Toyota has been the best at engineering them to minimize failures on the road. I put more than 170,000 miles on each of the Toyota 4WD pickups and never needed to do anything other than normal scheduled maintenance. That is why Toyota truck owners as a group are very loyal to the brand.

What I find pathetic are those who say they are Ford man or that their daddy only owned Fords and so that is all they would ever consider buying.

You know there's this thing called rainx. If you put it on your windshield you'll still be able to see just fine even without wipers. But even without that, letting your truck sit around for almost 18 months because of a possible wiper motor failure is just silly.

 

[Snakebitten]

It's gotta be pure torture to worry about the what-ifs, regardless of how trivial, to the extent that you would miss out on enjoying all the good.

But desiring everyone else to do the same? Now that's just beyond my comprehension.

 

[GypsyDanger]

What clown would complain about spending $65,000 for a truck and then having a safety defect that prevents driving it for all but short trips around town. Evidently people don't expect much from companies even when a good deal of money is involved - which makes them volunteers and not victim

I contacted a lemon law attorney when my truck was waiting for the recall part needed. He informed me that as Ford had issued a recall notice there was no recourse at all with the state's lemon law. This is a nice loophole that the auto makers exploit.

I drove my Chevy truck for 7 years with a defective Takata airbag inflator and knowing if I was in a head on collision myself and a front seat passenger could be killed. This is not right but then again many people go happily to their slaughter without a whimper.

I waited for the 2022 Toyota Tundra to arrive before making a purchase decision on a new truck. Rear bed access is terrible with the Tundra and the fuel economy and range is a lot less than with the F-150 or Ram 1500 trucks and there is no option for a locking rear differential and no limited slip differential options.

My key problems with the Ford were the wiper motor recall that took nearly two years to get fixed and the undersized H6 battery provided. I replaced the Motorcraft battery that was under warranty with a Optima H7 at my own expense and purchased a battery maintainer and a dedicated extension cord.

Anyone who has owned trucks over the years from a range of manufacturers (I have owned 5 Toyota, a Dodge, 3 Chevy, 3 Willys, and 2 Ford 4WD vehicles) knows that there will be design or engineering failures. Of the companies whose vehicles I have owned, Toyota has been the best at engineering them to minimize failures on the road. I put more than 170,000 miles on each of the Toyota 4WD pickups and never needed to do anything other than normal scheduled maintenance. That is why Toyota truck owners as a group are very loyal to the brand.

What I find pathetic are those who say they are Ford man or that their daddy only owned Fords and so that is all they would ever consider buying.

I cant imagine not driving my truck because a relatively non critical part "could" fail.....especially for 18 months. If it had failed and you were waiting that long to get the part, that's a different story. A wiper motor potentially not operating doesn't present a immediate danger to the level of having to park a truck. Everyone's entitled to protect themselves and set their own standards of safety but I think you should be honest with yourself and understand most people would not deem the wiper recall something worth hard parking their trucks for.

Toyota has banked on that reliability and moved at a snails pace to join the 21st century. Looks like when they need to finally innovate they are just like the other OEMS.

 

[Jerome10]

A co-worker bought a 2024 Tundra iForce Max Platinum 4x4 recently and he's having to lemon law his dream truck unfortunately.

I like my XLT

I'm curious what went wrong on his Tundra? Not because I wanna bash it but I have a family member with a Lexus with a 3.4T V6 (related to Tundra engine) and is having some issues with it that the dealer seems to be unable to repair. We are likely going to have to start looking into this ourselves, unfortunately.

And I say this as someone that has owned Toyotas that have run for decades, with family members running Toyotas & Lexuses for hundreds of thousands of miles. They're great cars, usually....

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