2024 King Ranch picked up from Granger Ford

[wyoming]

It's like it was designed to be able to bypass the HV system entirely and they just never implemented the bypass logic by keeping the clutch fully engaged and instead got a less reliable product. Then they decided to delete the bypass parts they never used.

Curious how highway operate is handled. Have to wait for convoy PB local and go drive it.

@Snakebitten

I’m a little fuzzy on the difference here. So the original BISG had the ability to start the ICE like a traditional starter, plus the ability to charge the 12V system like a traditional alternator, correct?

Obviously the 12V system can be charged via the converter, but how is the ICE started now that this component is removed?

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[HammaMan]

@Snakebitten

I’m a little fuzzy on the difference here. So the original BISG had the ability to start the ICE like a traditional starter, plus the ability to charge the 12V system like a traditional alternator, correct?

Obviously the 12V system can be charged via the converter, but how is the ICE started now that this component is removed?

The BISG unit does most of the PB's starting. My flywheel starter has engaged twice in 7k miles. We've never had any indications it's been used as an alternator of sorts, though it's got the capability to do so.

It could be the clutch alone with the torque converter unlocked so it's not felt. Otherwise it'd lug the drivetrain noticeably. It may also be using the flywheel starter and speed matching. How it all works as far as longevity, well we'll just have to wait for reports. The BISG unit slaps the engine to life vs the flywheel conventional starter. I prefer it due to not sounding like a starter every time it fires. Does that matter going down the road?

When the vehicle is stationary it can just lock the clutch and use the HV traction motor to start it. For all we know the current trucks have been testing the traction motor starting the truck for a while and we'd likely never know it. We dunno what we dunno.

 

[TheGoatman]

Wonder if it’s possible to delete on older MYs if we learn it’s needless

 

[wyoming]

The BISG unit does most of the PB's starting. My flywheel starter has engaged twice in 7k miles. We've never had any indications it's been used as an alternator of sorts, though it's got the capability to do so.

It could be the clutch alone with the torque converter unlocked so it's not felt. Otherwise it'd lug the drivetrain noticeably. It may also be using the flywheel starter and speed matching. How it all works as far as longevity, well we'll just have to wait for reports. The BISG unit slaps the engine to life vs the flywheel conventional starter. I prefer it due to not sounding like a starter every time it fires. Does that matter going down the road?

When the vehicle is stationary it can just lock the clutch and use the HV traction motor to start it. For all we know the current trucks have been testing the traction motor starting the truck for a while and we'd likely never know it. We dunno what we dunno.

Interesting, thanks for the info. I was in a ‘23 PB the other day and was impressed by how seamless (and quiet) the transition from electric to gas was.

Will the removal of the BISG mean that you’ll hear the flywheel starter in every one of those situations now?

 

[lrb_35128]

@fatBatman

First, like the truck. Congrats!

Second, BBQ is like beer; it all depends on what you're in the mood for. Having lived in TX on-and-off for the better part of three decades, I am partial to TX-style 'cue. Yet there are times Memphis style ribs that barely have any pull as they drop off the bone (or) hickory pit smoked mutton from the Ohio valley are what's really needed. - The trick is finding a pit master who knows his (her) craft and doesn't disguise everything behind their sauce.

@Probity

Luling is semi-holy ground...

 

[powerboatr]

I did take pics of it cleaned up. So far, I added a BAK X4s hard rolling tonneau cover, a shorty antenna, and I removed the 4X4 stickers from the rear fender. Since all King Ranch's are 4x4, it is kinda redundant.
One other note, the hood/fender alignment on the passenger side was a little off. The hood was touching the fender near the front of the truck. I loosened the top 3 fender bolts and immediately heard a "pop" and the fender popped back into it's normal and perfect spot. After I tightened the bolts back up, I closed the hood and it was perfect. It's almost like someone was leaning into the fender when they tightened the bolts.

the COLOR is simply SWEEEEEEET good looking

 

[Snakebitten]

Wonder if it’s possible to delete on older MYs if we learn it’s needless

On 2021-2023 Powerboost the BISG is a primary starter for the ICE when at a stop.
The Bendix/flywheel starter apparently was only used for coldstart/remote starts, I believe.
It's difficult to know what starts the truck while it's moving since it's so seemless. Was it the BISG or the traction motor?

But we know now that the 2024 isn't going to use the BISG ever.

Sorry about the semi-hijack of your thread @fatBatman, but your truck is currently all the rage and not just because it's beautiful. Lol

 

[TheGoatman]

On 2021-2023 Powerboost the BISG is a primary starter for the ICE when at a stop.
The Bendix/flywheel starter apparently was only used for coldstart/remote starts, I believe.
It's difficult to know what starts the truck while it's moving since it's so seemless. Was it the BISG or the traction motor?

But we know now that the 2024 isn't going to use the BISG ever.

Sorry about the semi-hijack of your thread @fatBatman, but your truck is currently all the rage and not just because it's beautiful. Lol

It would be nice if this unit acts up down the road, we can flip a few switches in FORScan and just dump it.

 

[JExpedition07]

@fatBatman

First, like the truck. Congrats!

Second, BBQ is like beer; it all depends on what you're in the mood for. Having lived in TX on-and-off for the better part of three decades, I am partial to TX-style 'cue. Yet there are times Memphis style ribs that barely have any pull as they drop off the bone (or) hickory pit smoked mutton from the Ohio valley are what's really needed. - The trick is finding a pit master who knows his (her) craft and doesn't disguise everything behind their sauce.

@Probity

Luling is semi-holy ground...

You nailed it.

 

[fatBatman]

Luling City Market from the 70's my alltime favorite BBQ joint ever...........

BBQ is like beer; it all depends on what you're in the mood for. Having lived in TX on-and-off for the better part of three decades, I am partial to TX-style 'cue. Yet there are times Memphis style ribs that barely have any pull as they drop off the bone (or) hickory pit smoked mutton from the Ohio valley are what's really needed. - The trick is finding a pit master who knows his (her) craft and doesn't disguise everything behind their sauce.

Luling is semi-holy ground...

I agree with this. Luling is great and as stated is "semi-holy". In my opinion, the true holy ground is Kreuz Market in Lockhart, TX. They have been there smoking meat since 1900.

The main difference between all other BBQ and TX BBQ is pork vs. beef. Pulled pork and pork ribs are great and when properly prepared, the meat falls off the bone but beef is king for a reason. Beef ribs and brisket are superior and don't need all of the vinegar, tomato, or sugar sauces. After all, BBQ is about the meat, not the sauce. As a matter of fact, from 1900-2018, Kreuz Market didn't serve any sauce at all.

https://www.texasstandard.org/stori...-sauce-free-policy-after-more-than-a-century/

As for the smoke or type of wood used, hickory is good and can provide a nice flavor but often times it's heavy smoke taste gets in the way of the actual protein. The object of the cooking process is to exalt the meat over trying to force smoke down people's throats. That's why it's a Texas tradition to use Post Oak. Most of the great Texas smokehouses use post oak exclusively including Lockhart's and Luling City Market.

 

[fatBatman]

The BISG unit does most of the PB's starting. My flywheel starter has engaged twice in 7k miles. We've never had any indications it's been used as an alternator of sorts, though it's got the capability to do so.

It could be the clutch alone with the torque converter unlocked so it's not felt. Otherwise it'd lug the drivetrain noticeably. It may also be using the flywheel starter and speed matching. How it all works as far as longevity, well we'll just have to wait for reports. The BISG unit slaps the engine to life vs the flywheel conventional starter. I prefer it due to not sounding like a starter every time it fires. Does that matter going down the road?

When the vehicle is stationary it can just lock the clutch and use the HV traction motor to start it. For all we know the current trucks have been testing the traction motor starting the truck for a while and we'd likely never know it. We dunno what we dunno.

I just crawled under the truck to verify/check and it does still have a traditional flywheel starter and I'm not sure I have ever heard it being used even on cold start-ups. Maybe those start-ups did use it but if it did, that thing is uber quiet. Driving down the road and in city driving, it uses the traction motor. You can feel it when it engages and starts the engine but it isn't intrusive or annoying. There have been times when I haven't felt it at all and looked down and saw a trip full of electric miles and had no clue that it wasn't all engine.

Id say for the software tuning and integration, they have gotten the traction motor and the engine to sing very well together. For me at least, I have to pay close attention to realize it is is transitioning between electric and gas.

 

[fatBatman]

MPG Update: I made a little trip to San Antonio from the DFW area and back yesterday and on the second leg of the trip (San Antonio to Dallas nonstop), it averaged 24.4 MPG. I'd say it has settled in very nicely and has broken itself in very well compared to the 16-17 MPG I was getting when I drove it off the lot. If anything, this proves that there is still a "break in" period. The owners manual mentions this break-in but is very short in it's paragraph and only mentions avoiding high speeds, heavy braking, aggressive shifting, and towing for the first 1000 miles. Still, for this heavy truck to be getting over 41 electric miles out of a 267 mile trip is crazy to me. That means just over 15% of a trip from San Antonio to Dallas was made without burning a single drop of fuel.

To be fully transparent, this MPG was achieved whilst pissing off many, many people as I was going 71 MPH (the speed limit on Texas Interstates is 75 or greater depending on the highway). Going around Austin on the toll road seemed to save some time going to San Antonio but the stop and go traffic through Austin on the way back yielded a significant fuel savings which resulted in the bulk of the 41.2 electric miles being from there. Still, occasionally, I would look down during Blue Cruise along the highway and see that the number of electric miles has increased. This means that while traveling at 71 MPH, the engine still cut off for short periods and I never noticed when the truck restarted the engine. This means that the transition from gas to electric and back really is that smooth. At slower speeds, you can tell but only if you're really paying attention and watching your tachometer. During Blue Cruise, your tach disappears so you have no idea how many RPMs the engine is or is not producing.

When I got back and pulled into my garage, I looked at the exhaust pipe. It was cleaner on the inside than it was on the outside and I just shined the truck up before the trip. Being a child of the 80's and always touching things to enable learning from my mistakes, I touched the inside of the exhaust pipe and it was warm but not even close to burning my fingers (fingerprints can be seen in the pics of the exhaust pipe). My only guess to why I didn't burn all of the skin from my fingers is because the heat exchanger on the exhaust that is used for the batteries really does work and pulls away most of the heat. As for the cleanliness of the inside of the exhaust pipe, Queen Greta Thunberg would be proud (although I don't think that girl could ever be happy).

On another note, I haven't posted a single picture or made any comments about the interior. That said, I will soon but a spoiler, I have spent just over 1400 miles in less than a week in this truck and I can say, my comments will not be those made by an unhappy customer.

 

[Deleted member 22196]

Sorry to say I'm not impressed with electric miles you got. Maybe I'm missing the point of these hybrid vehicles but I'm staying with the tried and true ICE. Hope you enjoy your new vehicle, it is a good looking truck. Good luck.

 

[wessermgm]

The redesigned tachometer is a major visual improvement.

 

[powerboatr]

Going around Austin on the toll road is smart.
We take it going to San Antonio as well. But do 65 in the rv,
It's great to hear your truck is doing so well and a happy customer
The IPC is different looking, did they copy some of the super duty items into it as well

And going full electric at 70 mph...
Imo that seems weird.
But my dad's maverick will do the same thing, if road conditions warrant, like a slight down hill. Or drafting a bit off a semi

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