Still no Ford incentives

[OscarMike128]

Last year GM sold 555,148 Silverados and 295,737 Sierras for a total of 850,885 half-ton trucks. Ford sold 750,789 F-150s. However, the F-150 is still the best selling model as Silverado and Sierra are technically two different models (from two different makes). It is what allows Ford to continue claiming that it is the best selling truck. But until a couple of years ago, Ford was beating all combined GM lines for 1/2 tons. It is impossible to say that Ford is not losing ground and I don't think it is the product itself, which remains top shelf for 1/2 tons. It is the pricing and the nagging quality issues.

Yea I can see that. I know a lot of people aren’t stoked their trucks are being held for quality issues, and while yes we all hope that our builds are done right the first time, I can only speak for myself when’s saying I’d be more upset to receive a truck and immediately run into issues than have to wait a few more weeks while they’re sorted out issues before sending it out. It actually makes me happy their vetting these trucks before they’re shipped out. You pay $70K+ for a pickup you don’t want to have issues.

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[SingleSpeed427]

Yea I can see that. I know a lot of people aren’t stoked their trucks are being held for quality issues, and while yes we all hope that our builds are done right the first time, I can only speak for myself when’s saying I’d be more upset to receive a truck and immediately run into issues than have to wait a few more weeks while they’re sorted out issues before sending it out. It actually makes me happy their vetting these trucks before they’re shipped out. You pay $70K+ for a pickup you don’t want to have issues.

I agree.. don't give me a half-sorted truck either.

The issue is the lack of information and unknown ETA. With previous "QC Holds" lasting months, I'm really close to just waiting for a 2025... especially if no incentives are around by the time the 2024 truck arrives.

Not everyone has that same luxury (to be able to wait for some unknown date), and may end up picking up one off of the lot (of which there are quite a few now.... sub lariat at least).

 

[OscarMike128]

I agree.. don't give me a half-sorted truck either.

The issue is the lack of information and unknown ETA. With previous "QC Holds" lasting months, I'm really close to just waiting for a 2025... especially if no incentives are around by the time the 2024 truck arrives.

Not everyone has that same luxury (to be able to wait for some unknown date), and may end up picking up one off of the lot (of which there are quite a few now.... sub lariat at least).

Luckily for me I have multiple vehicles and was able to trade my truck in when I ordered my new one 6 months ago. My price is locked in. PCO too. Only thing fluid is the rebates. I just really don’t want to get a truck with issues.

 

[wessermgm]

Luckily for me I have multiple vehicles and was able to trade my truck in when I ordered my new one 6 months ago. My price is locked in. PCO too. Only thing fluid is the rebates. I just really don’t want to get a truck with issues.

I don't disagree, but it is also frustrating to see a $75k truck sitting in a lot in Michigan for six months. When I buy off the lot, I do look at the blend date and make sure it's not 9 or 10 months old. You can get quality issues from fluids just sitting there in the Michigan cold for months on end, not to mention body rust.

 

[Snakebitten]

It's been true for a while that Ford gets to boast their "most sold" because of an accounting technicality.

But if you look at all 3's numbers, Ford/GM/Ram, they all sell staggering numbers in the USA. The separation between each brand is less than most folks are aware of.

I still think if comparably equipped, all 3 are pretty competitive in pricing. At least real-world out the door.
From month to month, one will have incentives that can put it ahead of others, of course.

As for the Denali being comparable to the Platinum, my one argument there is that my company recently purchased a Denali and that particular truck was far from equipped as a Platinum might be.
Or put another way, a Platinum can vary by $10,000 or more just with a few mouse clicks. I suspect the Denali can as well?

My 2022 Powerboost KingRanch was custom ordered and had an MSRP $10k more than the MSRP of my 2021 Powerboost Platinum. So trim level alone isn't nearly enough to claim apples/apples.

And by the way, I paid almost the same for the 2022 as I did for the "cheaper" 2021. So MSRP is far from the determing factor for accurate price comparisons.

I fault no one for choosing a Ram or GM over a Ford. But I think it's silly to claim one brand bad and another good. Each brand has its good & bad and everything in between. Declaring Ford trucks as junk because of of the issues associated with a faulty AGM battery might be the world we live in today. But at some point I have to just wish them well and hope they move on.

I truly enjoy the power of the collective, a forum, being leveraged for solutions. But I swear there are folks that bask in their mysery. ???

 

[Graygoose2021]

After buying from Granger, I judge people based upon where they get their truck (or any Ford model). If they don't buy from Granger then my only logical thought is that they hate their own money.

heck, first few hours of owning, I remove the dealers name on the back. I wont advertise any dealer, any brand for free.

 

[Bossharp]

Is there any Ram GMC or Chevy dealership that advertises ordering a new truck comparable to Granger? I'm really curious why it's not more common. Any sale is better than no sale and lots of money to be made after the sale too.
It's a little different ordering from dealer stock as they have to put there money out and then have to find the buyer. But on a order? Especially when you put down a deposit? When I talked to my Credit Union about financing my regular cab she was really surprised by how low a price I am getting for ANY new truck. Plus what you actually got as far as standard equipment on the XL RCSB. I don't think she seen many new trucks under 50K much less than under 40K.

 

[fatBatman]

Is there any Ram GMC or Chevy dealership that advertises ordering a new truck comparable to Granger? I'm really curious why it's not more common. Any sale is better than no sale and lots of money to be made after the sale too.
It's a little different ordering from dealer stock as they have to put there money out and then have to find the buyer. But on a order? Especially when you put down a deposit? When I talked to my Credit Union about financing my regular cab she was really surprised by how low a price I am getting for ANY new truck. Plus what you actually got as far as standard equipment on the XL RCSB. I don't think she seen many new trucks under 50K much less than under 40K.

Yes, Granger also has a Ram dealership and offers the same/similar conditions when ordering. I do not know how much their percentage is below invoice on Ram trucks but I know they have a similar set up. Mark Dodge in Lake Charles, Louisiana also does similar. I am not well informed about their process but I know they have similar deals.

There is a Chevy or GMC dealer in Indiana (I think it's in Indiana) that does this as well but I can't remember their name. After getting rid of my last 2023 Chevy LTZ 3.0 Duramax, It'll be along time before I buy another GM product. To be fair, there was nothing wrong with the truck and it performed flawlessly. I didn't like the tracking nannies that you can't disable. Yes, all manufacturers have them nowadays but only GM sells them to LexisNexis which in turn sells them to your insurance to raise your rates. I know Ford doesn't sell them nor does Toyota. I am not 100% on Ram but I don't think they do either. At any rate, I am not a fan of that and will limit that as much as I can when I can. This includes never buying another GM product.

 

[flasch192]

Alot of Lariat and platinum's sitting on lots around me , all green window stickers 2 , lol

 

[caposeidon]

Alot of Lariat and platinum's sitting on lots around me , all green window stickers 2 , lol

When I was bored and doing lots of browsing of cars.com for this thread: https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/thr...basis-need-2024-window-sticker-holders.24247/

I noticed quite a few green window stickers of the trucks listed for sale. I'd guess probably 20% of the inventory I looked at (mostly Lariats because I am selfish).

 

[Etl330]

When I was bored and doing lots of browsing of cars.com for this thread: https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/thr...basis-need-2024-window-sticker-holders.24247/

I noticed quite a few green window stickers of the trucks listed for sale. I'd guess probably 20% of the inventory I looked at (mostly Lariats because I am selfish).

What’s a green sticker mean?

 

[Buyer2021]

What’s a green sticker mean?

I believe you'll find that a green-border window sticker indicates a customer order vehicle, a blue-border indicates a vehicle acquired through the dealer-stock inventory system. Green usually has the note "SPECIAL ORDER" in a box near the bottom below the Total MSRP.

Ford strongly discourages / tries to prohibit the practice, but a few dealers may use 'sham customer orders' to get vehicles they want with particular options or to circumvent dealer inventory allocation limits. But when seen on a lot green stickers should just be customer orders which were not accepted by the ordering party at delivery for whatever reason (I wouldn't read anything of concern into that).

There's nothing substantively different about the vehicle between green and blue.

 

[Etl330]

I believe you'll find that a green-border window sticker indicates a customer order vehicle, a blue-border indicates a vehicle acquired through the dealer-stock inventory system. Green usually has the note "SPECIAL ORDER" in a box near the bottom below the Total MSRP.

Ford strongly discourages / tries to prohibit the practice, but a few dealers may use 'sham customer orders' to get vehicles they want with particular options or to circumvent dealer inventory allocation limits. But when seen on a lot green stickers should just be customer orders which were not accepted by the ordering party at delivery for whatever reason (I wouldn't read anything of concern into that).

There's nothing substantively different about the vehicle between green and blue.

Thank you!

 

[Wolf Man]

heck, first few hours of owning, I remove the dealers name on the back. I wont advertise any dealer, any brand for free.

I used to feel the same way but I felt that folks at Granger were great to work with and got a great price on my my21 so I asked them to put a decal on my truck. To this day I am still proud that my truck wears it!

 

[Graygoose2021]

I used to feel the same way but I felt that folks at Granger were great to work with and got a great price on my my21 so I asked them to put a decal on my truck. To this day I am still proud that my truck wears it!

well they are the exception. I will be calling them to buy my ESP

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