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Because making sales @ 0% always beats having trucks sit on a lot @ 3.9%

I already read one article which said demand is cooling and dealer lots are filling up again. So we’ll see
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Yes Ford credit can set whatever finance rates and incentives to whatever they like correct. Problem is feds hiking up the interest rates is going to severely deter them from offering 0% financing. Ford was gladly offering 0% financing at the end of 2021 until middle of 2022. Ever since the feds hiked the interest rates couple months ago i have seen plenty of automotive manufactures quit offering the 0% financing incentives. Why give out interest free loans when you're being charged more to run a company Lol?
I would hope Ford decides to offer 0%, lower financing or better additional offers, since their competitors are doing combinations.

In my area - Ram has 0% financing w/ $2k cash back and no payments for 90 days; Chevy is offering additional $500-1000 cash on top of all offers; GM has similar financing but higher returning customer cash allowance at $2500.

I don't think Ford's October incentives were great, I could still get lower rates through my credit union than at Ford credit this past month. If they want to sell the vehicles we all hope they finish building here in Q4 then they need to show it. Otherwise customers will leave for better financing and/or more cash, given the state of the economy regarding inflation and rates.
 

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Yes Ford credit can set whatever finance rates and incentives to whatever they like correct. Problem is feds hiking up the interest rates is going to severely deter them from offering 0% financing. Ford was gladly offering 0% financing at the end of 2021 until middle of 2022. Ever since the feds hiked the interest rates couple months ago i have seen plenty of automotive manufactures quit offering the 0% financing incentives. Why give out interest free loans when you're being charged more to run a company Lol?
The "why" would be to gain customers and narket share they may not have gitten otherwise.

How are they getting charged the fed rate to do business? (Seriously curious, not being smarta$$)
 

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The "why" would be to gain customers and narket share they may not have gitten otherwise.

How are they getting charged the fed rate to do business? (Seriously curious, not being smarta$$)
My theory in mind is that feds hiking the interest rates affects everything in this country including large companies such as Ford. In the end everyone is going to have to pay the premiums due to the interest rates being hiked all across the country.
 

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I would hope Ford decides to offer 0%, lower financing or better additional offers, since their competitors are doing combinations.

In my area - Ram has 0% financing w/ $2k cash back and no payments for 90 days; Chevy is offering additional $500-1000 cash on top of all offers; GM has similar financing but higher returning customer cash allowance at $2500.

I don't think Ford's October incentives were great, I could still get lower rates through my credit union than at Ford credit this past month. If they want to sell the vehicles we all hope they finish building here in Q4 then they need to show it. Otherwise customers will leave for better financing and/or more cash, given the state of the economy regarding inflation and rates.
Ram/Chevy/GMC dealerships near me are offering some incentives too.. though i strongly believe that they are piss poor. Until these automotive manufactures start offering 0% for 60+ months plus cash incentives is the day they shall see sales significantly rise Lol.
 

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Main reason I’m getting an F150 is to throw dirt bikes in the back and not have to have a Kendon trailer. My Lariat stickers at $77k (~ $69k from
Granger tho). But, I just priced a loaded BMW M3 competition and it’s only $5k sticker more ?
 

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Main reason I’m getting an F150 is to throw dirt bikes in the back and not have to have a Kendon trailer. My Lariat stickers at $77k (~ $69k from
Granger tho). But, I just priced a loaded BMW M3 competition and it’s only $5k sticker more ?
Yeah trucks went from being an inexpensive utilitarian vehicle in the 80's to costing as much as sports cars today. If I lived in Florida or California, the M3 would be an easy decision. I'm guessing it wouldn't do very well in 2 feet of snow here though...
 
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Yeah trucks went from being an inexpensive utilitarian vehicle in the 80's to costing as much as sports cars today. If I lived in Florida or California, the M3 would be an easy decision. I'm guessing it wouldn't do to well in 2 feet of snow here though...
Loading your dirt bikes in it could be problematic too. :)
 

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The "why" would be to gain customers and market share they may not have gitten otherwise.

How are they getting charged the fed rate to do business? (Seriously curious, not being smarta$$)
Does Ford care that much about increasing market share? Nope, not right now. Will 0% financing return this year? I wouldn’t hold my breath.

I’ve looked through FoMoCo transcripts of analysts calls this year. Farley and John Lawler (the CFO money guy) have teased since mid-year that they “might” have to do something on that end (lower financing rates depending on the economy) but nothing specific. They of course are masters at corporate-speak, answering analyst’s questions w/o really saying anything.

3Q22 earnings call danced around this in typical fashion, only things of note to me weren’t breaking news stuff but interesting factoids:

*Farley basically said “yeah we know about higher GM/Stellantis incentives spend, yawn, we’ve already accounted for some of that”. I still don’t exactly know what he means by “I really watch mix changes (F150 trims, F150 vs Superduty, etc)”. So I guess (?) we should all hope Superduty orders continue to go through the roof, resulting in F150’s staying on lots longer, possibly driving bigger F150 incentives spend. I’m not holding my breath on this either.
*F150 turn rates (how fast inventory moves off the lots) – previously Lariats turned faster than XLT’s, last quarter XLT’s turning faster. Interesting that Farley said he really watches this metric.
*uptick in 84 mo. financing. 7 friggin’ years!
Ford F-150 Shocked at the price increase! 1667487897045


But the biggest reason I don’t we’ll see any significantly bigger incentives spend (interest rates, cash-back, PCO’s, etc) this year is – they don’t have to, in fact they’re currently motivated NOT to bump up incentives spend. Spend less, make WAY more.

Ford, like other manufacturers, has pulled off some real financial alchemy this year, creating $ out of thin air. Market share? Lower sales volumes? Who cares, we’re making bank now and it’ll cost too much to get back to pre-pandemic sales volumes.

From Cox Auto News back in September, very stunning numbers below.
Who's Ready for a Return to the Good Ol' Days? Not the CFOs. - Cox Automotive Inc. (coxautoinc.com)
Ford F-150 Shocked at the price increase! 1667487966718
 

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Does Ford care that much about increasing market share? Nope, not right now. Will 0% financing return this year? I wouldn’t hold my breath.

I’ve looked through FoMoCo transcripts of analysts calls this year. Farley and John Lawler (the CFO money guy) have teased since mid-year that they “might” have to do something on that end (lower financing rates depending on the economy) but nothing specific. They of course are masters at corporate-speak, answering analyst’s questions w/o really saying anything.

3Q22 earnings call danced around this in typical fashion, only things of note to me weren’t breaking news stuff but interesting factoids:

*Farley basically said “yeah we know about higher GM/Stellantis incentives spend, yawn, we’ve already accounted for some of that”. I still don’t exactly know what he means by “I really watch mix changes (F150 trims, F150 vs Superduty, etc)”. So I guess (?) we should all hope Superduty orders continue to go through the roof, resulting in F150’s staying on lots longer, possibly driving bigger F150 incentives spend. I’m not holding my breath on this either.
*F150 turn rates (how fast inventory moves off the lots) – previously Lariats turned faster than XLT’s, last quarter XLT’s turning faster. Interesting that Farley said he really watches this metric.
*uptick in 84 mo. financing. 7 friggin’ years!
1667487897045.png


But the biggest reason I don’t we’ll see any significantly bigger incentives spend (interest rates, cash-back, PCO’s, etc) this year is – they don’t have to, in fact they’re currently motivated NOT to bump up incentives spend. Spend less, make WAY more.

Ford, like other manufacturers, has pulled off some real financial alchemy this year, creating $ out of thin air. Market share? Lower sales volumes? Who cares, we’re making bank now and it’ll cost too much to get back to pre-pandemic sales volumes.

From Cox Auto News back in September, very stunning numbers below.
Who's Ready for a Return to the Good Ol' Days? Not the CFOs. - Cox Automotive Inc. (coxautoinc.com)
1667487966718.png
As cynical as this sounds, a big part of the problem is a consumer base that is not patient and/or savvy in a lot of cases. if people keep paying these INSANE prices regardless of circumstances, the OEM's will have no reason to ever discount vehicles again. I love F150, but to be honest I am leaning more and more towards a RAM or GMC if they are willing to actually make some decisions that benefit me as the consumer instead of purely making decisions that benefit their corporate pocketbook (as a capiltalist at heart, I understand this, AND there needs to be a balance between them making money and keeping customers as as well).
 

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GM and Ram aren't exactly making great deals either. Savvy buyers CAN find a better deal from all 3 than the typical buyer. But none of them, from what I can see, are a Slam dunk over the others.

At least not here in truck-land Texas. :)
 
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I'm surprised but i actually got a $2,000 dollar PCO in an email the other day good for in stock and retail orders. Still the $2,000 PCO is not enough to offset the price increases and make me want to go out and order a new F150. I have actually built up a couple of different trim levels like i would want them and it seems that the Tremor with the high package is the best bang for your buck right now comparing price/options between the King Ranch and Lariat. The one that i built came in at right around $68,000 x plan price. I'll probably keep my 22' Lariat for another year and then look at the markets then to make a decision on whether i stay with Ford or not. If i had to make a decision today i would be leaning towards the new Toyota Tundra. I don't like the exterior look as much as the F150 but considering price, options, and resale value that's about the best value at this time. Toyota has hinted around at some price increases as well so who knows they may push themselves into the same boat that everyone else has. Coming in second i would consider a Ram 1500 Laramie...i had a 2020 and loved everything about that truck and the only reason i traded it was because i was offered a stupid amount of money to trade it in. The only draw back i see with Ram is as markets try to normalize their trucks seem to depreciate faster and when i'm trading every year or two that is a big thing to consider for me. Anyway that's just my two cents. More importantly a big Thank You to all of the veterans today! You guys are a lot of times under appreciated by this country but please know that myself and many others know the sacrifices you've made and we are forever in debt to those who have served in the past/present/future to allow us the freedom to live the life that we do!
 

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this morning my dealer i purchased from in april, called to remind or inform me that i had a 2k pco from ford, plus some other incentives.

i was cracking up as i told him. i just bought a truck in april? and there are no 2023 KR with the features i have (MC seats Etc). why would i trade???
sales guy told me that their sales are slow right now so they are beating the bushes.
they dont have much inventory either. I check the 4 around me weekly for super duty, f150 and edge
pretty slim pickings imo

would be nice if we could gift our pco to someone wanting to buy right now
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