Recaro Ergomed Seats

[HammaMan]

I’m assuming changing the foam and seat covers is it? Do they come perforated for air

Yes, the seat foam comes with the air bladders on them already for ventilation.

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[crazywayne311]

so are you selling this stuff? wonder how much work would be involved to add these to a lariat haha

 

[HammaMan]

so are you selling this stuff? wonder how much work would be involved to add these to a lariat haha

No. Seat foams are pretty large in volume though light in weight. There's just not an economical means of shipping such things. I went through a couple sites regarding the parts and shipping estimates were 300-600$. It's cheaper to ship 2 entire seats via freight.

 

[Davidwnuc]

Hammaman- Do you have part numbers for the raptor foam pieces? Just the fronts. I have a RCSB and I’m looking at seat improvement options.

 

[Paragon1]

Hammaman- Do you have part numbers for the raptor foam pieces? Just the fronts. I have a RCSB and I’m looking at seat improvement options.

I actually wound up installing the raptor interior in mine, its a vast improvement, but still doesnt quite do it for me. I went to a custom interior shop with my original platinum seats and they're making custom foam/upholstry for both driver and passenger seat cushions (not the backs, just the seatpans). A far cheaper option as well. Will post pics when complete.

 

[Davidwnuc]

I actually wound up installing the raptor interior in mine, its a vast improvement, but still doesnt quite do it for me. I went to a custom interior shop with my original platinum seats and they're making custom foam/upholstry for both driver and passenger seat cushions (not the backs, just the seatpans). A far cheaper option as well. Will post pics when complete.

I would love details when you are done/get a chance.

 

[Paragon1]

I would love details when you are done/get a chance.

Thats the plan. I truly believe theres a lot of people out there that wish they had a better option for their seats. Whoever runs the ergonomics shop at ford should be fired (if they even have someone who does that). I should be able to take some pics tomorrow.

 

[Davidwnuc]

Thats the plan. I truly believe theres a lot of people out there that wish they had a better option for their seats. Whoever runs the ergonomics shop at ford should be fired (if they even have someone who does that). I should be able to take some pics tomorrow.

fantastic!
agree with you 100%. every other vehicle i have ever owned has had more comfortable seats than this truck…and i have owned >20 vehicles and not all of them fords (gasp). lol

 

[Paragon1]

fantastic!
agree with you 100%. every other vehicle i have ever owned has had more comfortable seats than this truck…and i have owned >20 vehicles and not all of them fords (gasp). lol

Yeah my previous commuter was a 2015 Audi RS5, and also a Grand cherokee trailhawk (has the SRT seats) both had almost a perfect fit. The only way i can make the ford seats feel comfortable is if i press myself all teh way into the back of the seat, and sit almost vertically, not a posture one can maintain for hours.

These seats need better bolstering, but also need to be able to go lower than the current lowest setting. Id rather not have the steering wheel cut off the top 1/3 of the display.

These seats were a budget decision, the previous gen were way more supportive, including the raptor.

 

[HammaMan]

The softest / highest comfort seat is the XLT's cloth as far as overall feel. The method used for ventilation prevents the seat from being soft / compliant as much as I'd like it to be (the MCS exacerbates this on the driver's side due to its design requirements). The raptor's seat in terms of bolstering is at the top of factory seats, but still leaves me wanting. My perspective is skewed as my beater's seat in terms of bolstering is as much as I'd want for daily use and are pretty good. I spent about 90m in the MCS raptor seat on the 4th. I'll have to put more time on the clock to really know since it's still all new and the material needs broken in. Still would like a bit more bottom side bolstering.

 

[TSGarp007]

I've only seen stupidly expensive raptor replacement skins (aftermarket). You should be able to replace lariat leather with the XLT's katzkin (perforated if you have heated /cooled) and the many variations it comes in. Just make sure it's perforated for cooling since they also offer an aftermarket cooling upgrade (nowhere near as useful as factory). I've got new full lariat seats in right now w/ heating / cooling while I build my raptor MCS mod seats that are a mix of my XLT basic frame, all of the parts from a MCS platinum and raptor foam. Not sure if any raptors have put in MCS but I'll have em (no factory option for it).

Katzkin cooking isn't nearly as useful as factory? I haven't witnessed either, but the OEM cooling is really just recirculated cabin air, right? The katzkin affiliated cooling system is supposed to actually cool the air by something like 7 degrees I think.

 

[HammaMan]

Katzkin cooking isn't nearly as useful as factory? I haven't witnessed either, but the OEM cooling is really just recirculated cabin air, right? The katzkin affiliated cooling system is supposed to actually cool the air by something like 7 degrees I think.

They could be using peltiers. A lot of manufacturers switched to pulling in air rather than blowing it out. Despite peltiers having a slightly cooler feeling air, they end up dumping quite a bit of heat into the cabin and by extension, into the vehicle's AC system. For each degree cooler the air on the outlet side is, there's at least 2 degrees of warmer air under the seat. I forget their actual efficiency but it's pretty poor. While the seat may feel a little cooler, it gets really warm under the seat. The net vehicle temp is negatively affected.

Then of course there's a potential condensation issue under the seat with a corresponding mildew to deal with. That's just another reason that actually cooled seats are rare.

 

[TSGarp007]

Heat always has to go somewhere! I’m ok with some warmth under the seat, just not on my butt. I wanted leather seats with ventilation but not an option if I wanted the 40/20/40. I plan on, at least for now, doing katzkin sometime with the cooled seat option for the driver side.
Edit: I think they use Degreez for the cooling system.

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