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[Eskram]

You either got severely taken advantage of, or didn't understand what you were doing/signing.

They didn't 'give' you a rental STX - you bought it. I just can't imagine a dealer loaning a customer a vehicle to use for months on end, while Ford is building the order.

If you ordered a truck through the dealer, there would be a paper trail from Ford to go along with it. Does that exist?

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[rugedraw]

Ok, I have reviewed everything you sent me and I can tell you the following for certain:

On 2/26/2022, you signed a legal contract, buyer's order and title application to buy the truck ending in VIN MKE63954 which is a 2021 F150 XL. One buyer's order you sent me dated 2/16 has one address, and the other one you sent dated 2/26 has a different address which is current one, so I assume that is the valid contract. I read your other post about them loaning you the STX until the Tremor arrived. I work at a dealer, and we have done something similar for a short term wait like a week, but no dealership will provide a loaner for months until an order arrives. One of two things happened: a) you misunderstood or b) were lead to misunderstand. When we loan a vehicle to a client, we have them sign a BVA (Borrowed Vehicle Agreement). What you signed was a law-abiding contract where you agreed to buy the 2021 STX. At this point, it has been a year and half since you signed the contract and have little to no recourse to do anything about it unless you lawyer up with undeniable proof that you were coerced into this situation. I do not think you have that here.

The contract you sent me for the F350 is very confusing to me. That contract was initially signed electronically and then you initialed it and signed the last paper in person. What you are sending me makes it seem like you bought two trucks that day and none of them was a 2022 Tremor. Both the contract for the F350 and the F150 show a vehicle was traded in that was worth $14,500 and both show a payoff of $16,813 that was to be sent to GM Financial, so the Cadillac does not seem to have been paid off. Therefore, no way you bought two trucks because you cannot use the same trade in for two different transactions.

This is what I think happened:

On 2/16, you went in there and bought a 2021 F150 XL (whether you wanted to or not, that is what you did). Somewhere in the process, the wrong vehicle was loaded into the system and you were contracted on a 2015 F350 instead of the 2021 F150. At some point, the dealer realized the mistake and you were re-contracted on the correct truck. This would explain why you sent me a sale agreement with the F150 that the order date is 2/26 and the delivery date is the 2/16. How can the order date be after the delivery date if this was not the case? This tells me that you signed the contract with the correct truck 10 days after you took the XL off the lot.

Honestly, looking from the outside in it is difficult to make sense out of this based on what you sent me and what you are saying. The dealer does seem to have made a mistake at some point, but the mistake they made does not reflect anything related to a Tremor being the vehicle you were supposed to buy. Everything I see indicates you bought a 2021 F150 XL.

 

[rugedraw]

@Lyss145 I don't want to break your balls too hard, because I read your other post and see that you've been dealing with a crappy string of events since this incident happened, but if you were under the impression that the F150 you have now was a rental, you should have known something was wrong when the bank that holds the lien to your truck sent you a welcome package for you to make your payments to them. I assume you have been making payments because they have not repo'd the truck. The payments you have been making are not to Hertz, or Enterprise or any other car rental company. You have been sending payments to a bank for 1.5 years.

 

[Lyss145]

@Lyss145 I don't want to break your balls too hard, because I read your other post and see that you've been dealing with a crappy string of events since this incident happened, but if you were under the impression that the F150 you have now was a rental, you should have known something was wrong when the bank that holds the lien to your truck sent you a welcome package for you to make your payments to them. I assume you have been making payments because they have not repo'd the truck. The payments you have been making are not to Hertz, or Enterprise or any other car rental company. You have been sending payments to a bank for 1.5 years.

This is a very hard situation to describe over text because they are making it seem like there was a lien on the vehicle when I had paint it off upfront for regionally, so I never signed anything electronically or anything like that. It was all in person so all of those sign electronically are fraud, it’s very confusing to explain in text message. It’s some thing that have to be spoken about like in person or over the phone because it’s so much detail and information that goes into this that it’s doesn’t seem to make sense pretty much what the dealership had done was taking the pre-order And sold it to another customer that was wanting to buy it because I pre-ordered the trimmer in the beginning of 2021 and what he had told me is that this guy name‘s Seth Kelly gave him an offer and signed him a contract with out. Dan Hass, knowing that the vehicle was already in contract under me which doesn’t make any sense, but that it was what he told me when we sat down and from there he said that he took a Seth Kelly off the contract and , it’s a huge mixup and that they apologize but there’s nothing that they can do that he’s driving around in the trimmer and then I have to keep his vehicle so they pretty much swapped contracts is what he told me but when I confronted him about him saying that he denies it so I should’ve recorded the conversation that we were having in the office but he said that there’s no red flags here that’s what your contract is normal and if they get a higher offer that they’ll take it and they won’t let the customer know it’s like it doesn’t make sense but that’s what I was told

 

[Lyss145]

But can you also please tell me how GME63954 comes in to play for the stock number then because if my Vin is 1FTEW1CP8MKE63954 how can my stock number GME63954

 

[Lyss145]

There is much much much much much more to this case than what I have stated it’s just too much to type and it’s insane like I’m obviously going to lawyer up because I didn’t buy an STX. There’s no way that an STX is 7$4733 like there’s no way because it doesn’t even have Any bells and whistles in it like it is just plain STX that’s it and they go for like 37,000 there’s much more to this than what’s stated on the paper ALPINE is fraudulent and taking a vantage and there’s 10 different vehicles attached to my one Vin number, which I do have screenshots of I’ve been doing research for the past year because I’m getting my facts together and taking it to court so that way I have stuff to back up what I’m saying, rather than just going to head out head on into some thing and losing because I have so much documentation paperwork everything that I know that I’m going to win this case my house key tags that were given to me from the dealership it was supposed to be a 2022 trimmer and it says it on the key tag that I was given and it says GME63954 as the stock number, but the Vin number does not match whatsoever and when I look up GME 63954. Nothing comes up and it doesn’t make sense for it to be a 2021 Ford F150, STXXL, and have GME within the stock number or even number so I’m just very very confused. I do have all my paperwork and documentation and private investigators everything you know going to happen but this was kind of like my last resort kind of thing to see if anybody could look into this help me see what if they’re seeing what I’m seeing, it’s very very confusing and a lot of information the past couple years I’ve been rough, losing my memory and going through what I’ve gone through but I’m gonna get through it and I’m gonna win this. I’ve been taking advantage of from what happened to me and they’re not gonna get away with it.

 

[rugedraw]

@Lyss145 Stock number and VIN number do not have to be the same. In my store now, we do use the last 8 of the VIN as the stock number. However, in my store's sister store where they sell 7 different brands, it is not. Audi's start with a A followed by numbers. Porsche is a P and numbers. Maserati is M and numbers, etc.

The $74k you are seeing is the total you are paying for your truck including taxes, tag, fees and most importantly, interest. If you only make the minimum payment on your truck, that is how much you will pay for your truck throughout the course of the loan including interest..

 

[rugedraw]

I believe you that the dealer made a mistake and that the truck your ordered was sold to someone else. Mistakes are made and things happen in all facets of business. Maybe it wasn't a mistake....maybe they sold it on purpose to another buyer for well over MSRP since they couldn't do that to you since yours was an order.

However, you should have never bought the truck you bought if that was the case. I don't think you are going to get the help you need here. If you feel that you were wronged, then you need to contact an a lawyer. Auto loan contracts and buyer's orders with dealer have a clause where any disputes will have to go through arbitration to find a solution before it can be taken to court. If this is something you want to pursue, be ready for a long legal and possibly expensive legal process.

 

[Kodiak]

Just a note too. I believe it was stated that you owed money on the Caddy your traded in. That cost would be added to your new loan. These are upside down loans and you end up owing more than the new vehicle is worth.

 

[gregs150xlt]

BRO......... Anyone call B/S on this whole thread? Things just don't add up.

OP just signed up today, and all 11 posts have been here. No intro or anything, and has blocked their profile as well (what new user even knows how to do that)?

 

[CoolCoyote]

BRO......... Anyone call B/S on this whole thread? Things just don't add up.

OP just signed up today, and all 11 posts have been here. No intro or anything, and has blocked their profile as well (what new user even knows how to do that)?

It's good entertainment after a long day, that's for sure.

 

[HammaMan]

I hunt for vehicles then buy them remotely so I can read and re-read any details making up the sale. This individual believes something to be wrong and I wouldn't doubt it is. Given the time frame this was right in the middle of dealers bending people over using sand as lube.

Nobody here can do anything, this is for a local lawyer.

 

[Eskram]

It's good entertainment after a long day, that's for sure.

It was.

 

[gregs150xlt]

I got a question. WHAT DEALER WAS THIS?, please, inquiring minds want to know!!!

 

[JExpedition07]

There isn’t much a lawyer can do to bail this situation out either. 1.5 years of driving the truck and making payments, any judge is going to crumple up the lawsuit and throw it out. De-Facto legal agreement by now even if he never signed any contract for the 2021 STX based on behavior alone.

I don’t know how this can even happen. When I signed my sales contract we matched the vin (after negotiating a price), the salesman paired my phone to the truck, gave me two sets of keys, and said a title would be mailed to me and gave me a temporary registration (in my first and last name). How are you handed registration for the truck and think “oh, this is a rental”. Insurance?? Surely you had to take out an insurance policy on the truck in your name too before the contract was executed. No bank is loaning monies on property without insurance on their liened property. You registered the truck, bought an insurance policy on it and thought you didn’t own it?? Nothing adds up here.

When the title shows up at the door with the vehicle make/vin and your name as the owner that’s it. It’s all on you. Mine showed up 2-3 weeks after purchase with my name front and center next to the make and engine with the bank as lien holder 1. At that point, you own that hunk of steel. If you didn’t fight it at that point there is no case in my opinion. Sounds like you and the dealer had a MASSIVE misunderstanding.

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