Powerboost Dyno Video

[Htk084]

@David Gordon I had a C7 Vette with the 6.2 that you speak of, and while it is a good motor, it is not even in the same league as the Powerboost. I think you are biased if you think the good 'ol pushrod 6.2 is faster than the 3.5TT EV powertrain. The 6.2 does NOT like to rev while the PB revs out smoothly and electric motor fills in the torque gaps between shifts. At no speeds did the 6.2 feel faster, sorry.

You may want to meet pugno something or other. He's another very grumpy Powerboost owner, you guys will hit it off LOL

You’re saying your powerboost felt faster than a c7 vette? ?

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[Sentinel1201]

You’re saying your powerboost felt faster than a c7 vette? ?

eh no, I was referring only to the motor. C7 weighs 3300 lbs, same motor in a Denali weighing 5500 lbs is not fast. The 6.2 is also detuned in non-vette applications, its down 40 hp in the Denali.

 

[Htk084]

eh no, I was referring only to the motor. C7 weighs 3300 lbs, same motor in a Denali weighing 5500 lbs is not fast. The 6.2 is also detuned in non-vette applications, its down 40 hp in the Denali.

Oh ok that makes a little more sense. I don’t have a powerboost yet, but that would’ve been surprising! Lol

 

[David Gordon]

@David Gordon I had a C7 Vette with the 6.2 that you speak of, and while it is a good motor, it is not even in the same league as the Powerboost. I think you are biased if you think the good 'ol pushrod 6.2 is faster than the 3.5TT EV powertrain. The 6.2 does NOT like to rev while the PB revs out smoothly and electric motor fills in the torque gaps between shifts. At no speeds did the 6.2 feel faster, sorry.

You may want to meet pugno something or other. He's another very grumpy Powerboost owner, you guys will hit it off LOL

I too had a C-7, 3 Denali's w/ 6.2 and a C-6 Zo6, I will admit the powerboost is fast to 70, but at a 70 punch side by side the 6.2 would win. BTW I have never once put any of my GM vehicles in the shop for anything. My Ford is going in the shop with 600 miles for excessive wind noise.

 

[OleCuss]

OK, first I should point out that I'm not an authority on this and I don't think that I am. But I've been reading a bit from diverse sources and tracking where things seem to be going.

As I perceive things the primary benefit to the PowerBoost is the generator and the second selling point is/was the towing capacity.

Yes, it's nice to have the torque, the horsepower, and the decent gas mileage but if I look at the 2021 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel I could get pretty good torque, OK horsepower, towing capacity which is pretty much as good, and overall better fuel mileage (22/32). I thus don't really see the PowerBoost as compelling on the basis of those features.

Do not get me wrong, I'm not having second thoughts regarding my PowerBoost, because it suits my priorities.

And yes, I'd like to have a bigger battery and maybe motor as well. More is better, right?

Well, I don't think that even if I had a much higher budget that Ford will be selling a PowerBoost with the bigger battery and electric motor. There might be some incremental changes but I don't expect major changes for several reasons.

1. Ford has already served the market that consists of folks like me who mostly want the generator and decent mileage with good towing capacity. Doing a redesign might improve a little but probably wouldn't increase their market all that much.
2. Given current technology I think they'd have to do a pretty significant redesign of the truck in order to fit more battery and motor into the thing. That may decrease its overall utility and attractiveness as a truck (mentioned by another in the thread).
3. The other big reason as best I can tell is that the federal government and some state governments are putting the pressure on for all-electric vehicles. Electric vehicles are also "trendy" so I'm seeing less interest by automotive corporations to make hybrids and more interest in designing EV vehicles. They (including Ford) are unlikely to see much benefit in throwing development dollars into hybrids (including a redesign which may make it so that the PowerBoost does not have much commonality with the rest of the F-150s meaning more parts inventory, more tech training, and possibly less customer interest).
4. The Lightning is sort of their darling going forward. It's "green", it has more HP, it has lots more torque, and you can still power your trailer or house with more output that you'll get from the 7.2KW biggest generator you can get with the PowerBoost.

It's going to take years for Ford to satisfy the current demand for the Lightning.

Now I'll happily say that I'd enjoy having a Lightning with the extended range. Of course!

But the PowerBoost fits me better. I don't have to upgrade my home's electrical system to charge my PowerBoost. I live in Kalifornia where they are destabilizing our electrical grid. I have far better range with the PowerBoost which means I don't have to try to find a charger on the way to visit my relatives in Southern California (or throw a big generator in the bed of the Lightning to charge the thing). I like the PowerBoost's better towing capacity, etc.

But there are more people living in big cities with different priorities than there are people like me.

So we're likely to see the various pickup and automobile manufacturers start pushing more all-electric and not push the hybrids so much. It's possible we'll see things consolidate into mostly all-electric and all gas/diesel with hybrid tech being relatively stagnant if not dying out.

So I don't really see a lot of further development for the PowerBoost system. But I could be very wrong in my sense of where the trends are leading.

 

[Atlee]

OK, first I should point out that I'm not an authority on this and I don't think that I am. But I've been reading a bit from diverse sources and tracking where things seem to be going.

As I perceive things the primary benefit to the PowerBoost is the generator and the second selling point is/was the towing capacity.

Yes, it's nice to have the torque, the horsepower, and the decent gas mileage but if I look at the 2021 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel I could get pretty good torque, OK horsepower, towing capacity which is pretty much as good, and overall better fuel mileage (22/32). I thus don't really see the PowerBoost as compelling on the basis of those features.

Do not get me wrong, I'm not having second thoughts regarding my PowerBoost, because it suits my priorities.

And yes, I'd like to have a bigger battery and maybe motor as well. More is better, right?

Well, I don't think that even if I had a much higher budget that Ford will be selling a PowerBoost with the bigger battery and electric motor. There might be some incremental changes but I don't expect major changes for several reasons.

1. Ford has already served the market that consists of folks like me who mostly want the generator and decent mileage with good towing capacity. Doing a redesign might improve a little but probably wouldn't increase their market all that much.
2. Given current technology I think they'd have to do a pretty significant redesign of the truck in order to fit more battery and motor into the thing. That may decrease its overall utility and attractiveness as a truck (mentioned by another in the thread).
3. The other big reason as best I can tell is that the federal government and some state governments are putting the pressure on for all-electric vehicles. Electric vehicles are also "trendy" so I'm seeing less interest by automotive corporations to make hybrids and more interest in designing EV vehicles. They (including Ford) are unlikely to see much benefit in throwing development dollars into hybrids (including a redesign which may make it so that the PowerBoost does not have much commonality with the rest of the F-150s meaning more parts inventory, more tech training, and possibly less customer interest).
4. The Lightning is sort of their darling going forward. It's "green", it has more HP, it has lots more torque, and you can still power your trailer or house with more output that you'll get from the 7.2KW biggest generator you can get with the PowerBoost.

It's going to take years for Ford to satisfy the current demand for the Lightning.

Now I'll happily say that I'd enjoy having a Lightning with the extended range. Of course!

But the PowerBoost fits me better. I don't have to upgrade my home's electrical system to charge my PowerBoost. I live in Kalifornia where they are destabilizing our electrical grid. I have far better range with the PowerBoost which means I don't have to try to find a charger on the way to visit my relatives in Southern California (or throw a big generator in the bed of the Lightning to charge the thing). I like the PowerBoost's better towing capacity, etc.

But there are more people living in big cities with different priorities than there are people like me.

So we're likely to see the various pickup and automobile manufacturers start pushing more all-electric and not push the hybrids so much. It's possible we'll see things consolidate into mostly all-electric and all gas/diesel with hybrid tech being relatively stagnant if not dying out.

So I don't really see a lot of further development for the PowerBoost system. But I could be very wrong in my sense of where the trends are leading.

Agree with what you've written.

 

[Snakebitten]

The Dodge and Ford diesel 1/2 ton have torque and towing capacity, but at the peril of Cargo Capacity. Nissan Titan suffered the same fate.
I personally think they would have all sold in the numbers they were predicted to if the loss in Cargo Capacity hadn't gotten in the way. You just can't have your cake and eat it too in the narrow scope of the 1/2 ton chassis world. And for whatever reason, nobody has broken the rules and decided to build a super-1/2 ton chassis.

Actually that's not true since Ford DOES offer the HDPP F150. But they clearly go through efforts NOT to sell them. They even quit offering them in Lariat or above trim. And in the XLT trim they won't let you have the 302A package. An HDPP F150 with the Powerboost would be an insane towing machine. But Ford says nope!

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