I don't believe the removal of the belt starter means the traditional starter will be used in any scenario it wasn't already used for. Basically a cold start or remote start, at the risk of oversimplifying.
Careful... the only thing tht needs to be done to make it generate is to raise the excitation of the fields. This is just an easy thing given the computer control of the electrical system...
I think the HVB and the traction motor will do the start/stop function. I’m not sure it isn’t doing it now actually. I spend 95% of the time in normal mode and it goes a few feet minimum in electric before I see the RPM jump up.
OK.
Well, Why would they label it as a Generator? I come back to my description of the excitation. Lower it and it motors. Raise is and it generates. It's that simple. Note: it isn't that I don't trust the PIDS. What I don't trust is what the programmers decided to present to us. I had a case where the transmission overheated and what I saw on the instrument panel was a sudden pegging of the gauge not a slow rise. As to the oil pressure... I am now shocked that the oil pressure switch is set at 5#. Given their dual pressure set up and with such high pressures, if you were losing pressure by the time you got to 5# if you were pulling a heavy load... damage has been done. Tell me what kind of machine is at the front of the transmission? Is it an induction machine or its it a permanent magnet synchronous machine? The Escape Hybrids use the permanent magnet machine and use them to start the engine using the traction battery power. The F150 uses the 12VDC battery to a starter. In order to use the transmission motor they have to modify the overrunning clutch between the engine and the motor. Its setup to allow the engine to drive the transmission but not allow the transmission to drive the engine. I suspect the machine in the transmission is an induction machine because, for what they've done, it's less complex.OK.
Be happy to wait for the evidence.
Many many hours of looking for ANY in documentation and/or onboard PID monitoring. Never got anything more than the use of the Acronym itself.
I'm an admitted novice at these things.
I'll be happy to have a helping of crow. ?
But even the engineer with Ford ONLY discusses it as a starter as he blurbs about the efforts in-house to removing it.
I know you don't believe/trust in PIDs and sensors and electronic surveillance of what is going on in the truck. You've made that clear. I'm impressed that you installed an analog oil pressure gauge on your Powerboost. Seriously. That's cool!
But I should point out that the results you have shared thus far are confirmation of the Oil Pressure PID results that folks have monitored for 7 years on the Gen2 3.5 Ecoboost.
So do the same and install a physical current meter on the BISG and confirm whether it is ever used as a generator.
In their defense, a lot of us got the information wrong including myself. It was a confusing LinkedIn post and Ford PR didn't bother to correct a lot of us. I rewrote mine and posted it after a clarification from Ford PR.Thanks for the flattering words good sir.
Yeah, I read the article and was disappointed that there was so little proofreading before publishing.
The biggest error that stuck out like a sore thumb:
"The biggest change involves the total elimination of both belt starters."
There is 1 traditional bendix/flywheel starter, and one belt integrated starter (BISG) on the 2021-2023 Powerboost.
Ford did indeed eliminate the ONE belt driven starter on the ICE.
I would really enjoy reading what the engineer actually wrote on LinkedIn, but I don't have any social media accounts and don't plan to.
For those that are curious, this is the gentleman at Ford and his link to the article can be seen without logging in, but can't be read.
Kelly Johnson with Ford Motor Company will locate his LinkedIn profile easy enough.
Shh... don't tell anyone. LOLTim is here!!!
…if anyone could actually get a ‘24. Still waiting for a “pending update” since my April 6th delivery date has long since passed.
No worries.
If my complaint regarding the Ford Authority article's inaccuracies came across harshly, I assure you that it wasn't my intention.
Nah, it wasn't harsh. I thought it was accurate and yup, they got it wrong.No worries.
I appreciate the efforts made by you fine folks that keep us nerds informed.
