Odd Call from Ford Dealer

[Grafx36510]

When the order books open for a 2024 F-150 I will be ordering one. My 2021 is all fixed. Ford can fiddle with their records when they get it on trade.

That is definitely a path I would take.

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[HammaMan]

When the order books open for a 2024 F-150 I will be ordering one. My 2021 is all fixed. Ford can fiddle with their records when they get it on trade.

24 might just be the last year of the 14th gen. Curious to see if 25 is when their in-house hardware will start showing up that they've made for the next lightning. I can't see them not using as much of the new hardware as they can through the truck line. They're pretty slow though so without competition pressure they may just milk this 2015 tech as long as they can.

As for the FDRS -- the tech won't harm anything w/ FDRS. Trust me, I've tried breaking both of my vehicles and I can always easily get them back in working order.

Personally I'd avoid the 24 models -- they'll be the same truck with a $15k markup and missing features.

 

[Grafx36510]

24 might just be the last year of the 14th gen. Curious to see if 25 is when their in-house hardware will start showing up that they've made for the next lightning. I can't see them not using as much of the new hardware as they can through the truck line. They're pretty slow though so without competition pressure they may just milk this 2015 tech as long as they can.

As for the FDRS -- the tech won't harm anything w/ FDRS. Trust me, I've tried breaking both of my vehicles and I can always easily get them back in working order.

Personally I'd avoid the 24 models -- they'll be the same truck with a $15k markup and missing features.

Try harder? If it’s not broke fix it til it is?

 

[Big Dog Daddy]

Isn’t the wiper recall regarding the wiper motors an not the arms? I’d let them come out and clear it. Still better than going to a dealership and having smoke blown where the sun won’t shine.

Many trucks are being recalled for both wiper arm and wiper motor replacement. Guess Ford has lost there way with wiper systems.

 

[Grafx36510]

Many trucks are being recalled for both wiper arm and wiper motor replacement. Guess Ford has lost there way with wiper systems.

I guess I’m a bit underinformed, thanks!

 

[Spiffy]

I have a 2007 Shelby gt. Pristine show condition. I have received at least 70 letters, note cards, emails about the air bag replacement. Every one in my club said ford did damage doing the passenger side. We have some that know how to do it without damaging. I talked to ServiceMaster and he said he will try to be careful. I said if you scratch or dent the dash you will replace the dash? He said no nut they will take care. I said give me the airbag and I will have my mechanic do it. Ford said no!!
So each week I get another letter. They can't force me.
This car is a trailer queen. I will let the next owner get it done..

 

[Tall Tail]

I got a similar message when scheduling my head light recall

 

[Kanuck]

Isn’t the wiper recall regarding the wiper motors an not the arms? I’d let them come out and clear it. Still better than going to a dealership and having smoke blown where the sun won’t shine.

I have a recall on both motor and arms. Dealer is told not to do anything until the parts are available.

 

[B-real]

Drive way fix would have been nice when it first came out.

Ford is pushing dealers to do mobile service to compete with the other manufacturers. I believe Ford is even paying for upfit of some of their Transits to get dealers to take mobile service more seriously. Its where everyone is headed in trying to be more accommodating for the customers or risk losing them to the competition who offers this.

 

[JJSnell]

Personally I'd avoid the 24 models -- they'll be the same truck with a $15k markup and missing features.

I agree with the first two but I dont think they will be missing parts. Its my understanding, the 24s will be coming with new parts to avoid all the missing parts and deletes we have been experiencing and with the new parts and fully loaded Plats, Limiteds, etc. They will be able to sell the truck at a higher dollar.
People were still paying $80k for a Limited with parts and options that dont make it a Limited. Imagine the new Limited with all your options included.... $90k, Plus 6% (or higher if the Dems have their way) interest gonna be a $100,000 grocery-getter when done.

 

[HammaMan]

I agree with the first two but I dont think they will be missing parts. Its my understanding, the 24s will be coming with new parts to avoid all the missing parts and deletes we have been experiencing and with the new parts and fully loaded Plats, Limiteds, etc. They will be able to sell the truck at a higher dollar.
People were still paying $80k for a Limited with parts and options that dont make it a Limited. Imagine the new Limited with all your options included.... $90k, Plus 6% (or higher if the Dems have their way) interest gonna be a $100,000 grocery-getter when done.

I just don't see ford making changes to parts for future vehicles to retrofit on the 24s when they're already done w/ the new lightning design which will likely share its parts with the 15th gen. If I were them I'd source what's needed for a mediocre 24 run as well as 23 job 2 while putting all efforts into the new in-house parts. There's no wand to wave to magically generate that level of production across so many parts. Maybe they carry core components forward, using busses for control gives many options. The current system will be used for another decade or so with current sync likely carrying over to lesser models still relying on 3, while the new CPU unit goes into the higher trims.

They're contracting global operations back to the US, pulling out of both the EU and CN. It's appearing they're going to basically completely overhaul themselves as a company, which is easier said than done. They'll soon only be in US/CA/MX. Perhaps they're going to re-think everything and follow telsa's clear gapped-lead vs everyone else, and then carry that model out to additional worthy markets? I think that will be a winning solution if they can pull it off. They're working on LFP plants stateside, that'll give them a $3500 rebate bonus on their vehicles. As long as they don't go building catfish cars w/ unchanged aesthetics for 10 years straight, they should be okay.

With ~3 years worth of bad economy ahead, they may just pull it off. Tesla isn't going to make it easy for anyone though. Cybertruck is about as ugly as they come, but it will eat into 1/2 and 3/4 tons of everyone -- no doubt they'll be sold out for 2 years or longer and will be a money printer for tesla. They'll run the profit maximization scheme they've been doing over the last year only competing on price when needed. Their rapid price drops made ford look rather foolish trying to catch up with the MME -- it will be really entertaining when it comes to trucks. Ford only lost $60k per EV they sold while tesla was profiting.

 

[JJSnell]

I just don't see ford making changes to parts for future vehicles to retrofit on the 24s when they're already done w/ the new lightning design which will likely share its parts with the 15th gen. If I were them I'd source what's needed for a mediocre 24 run as well as 23 job 2 while putting all efforts into the new in-house parts. There's no wand to wave to magically generate that level of production across so many parts. Maybe they carry core components forward, using busses for control gives many options. The current system will be used for another decade or so with current sync likely carrying over to lesser models still relying on 3, while the new CPU unit goes into the higher trims.

They're contracting global operations back to the US, pulling out of both the EU and CN. It's appearing they're going to basically completely overhaul themselves as a company, which is easier said than done. They'll soon only be in US/CA/MX. Perhaps they're going to re-think everything and follow telsa's clear gapped-lead vs everyone else, and then carry that model out to additional worthy markets? I think that will be a winning solution if they can pull it off. They're working on LFP plants stateside, that'll give them a $3500 rebate bonus on their vehicles. As long as they don't go building catfish cars w/ unchanged aesthetics for 10 years straight, they should be okay.

With ~3 years worth of bad economy ahead, they may just pull it off. Tesla isn't going to make it easy for anyone though. Cybertruck is about as ugly as they come, but it will eat into 1/2 and 3/4 tons of everyone -- no doubt they'll be sold out for 2 years or longer and will be a money printer for tesla. They'll run the profit maximization scheme they've been doing over the last year only competing on price when needed. Their rapid price drops made ford look rather foolish trying to catch up with the MME -- it will be really entertaining when it comes to trucks. Ford only lost $60k per EV they sold while tesla was profiting.

Could very well be. Farley knows his neck is on the line and needs to make some drastic and dramatic changes. I can't see production lines continuing deletes and missing parts into the 24 models. Again, and it it's definitely word of mouth but I'm hearing that a lot of the problematic parts have been scrapped for completely different design (and by Design I don't mean body and aesthetics) and setup. Of course none of that matters until something actually hits the showroom floor and we see reality.
It's going to be very interesting to see what happens with the skyrocketing prices, low inventory and high interest rates. Ford is going to have to offer a lot of in-house financing at low rates to get things off the floor. I personally can't see any other option for movement. No one is going to well, I shouldn't say no one but I can't see a lot of people spending $90,000 with a six or seven percent interest rate. I sure as he** won't do it

 

[Nasto]

Could very well be. Farley knows his neck is on the line and needs to make some drastic and dramatic changes. I can't see production lines continuing deletes and missing parts into the 24 models. Again, and it it's definitely word of mouth but I'm hearing that a lot of the problematic parts have been scrapped for completely different design (and by Design I don't mean body and aesthetics) and setup. Of course none of that matters until something actually hits the showroom floor and we see reality.
It's going to be very interesting to see what happens with the skyrocketing prices, low inventory and high interest rates. Ford is going to have to offer a lot of in-house financing at low rates to get things off the floor. I personally can't see any other option for movement. No one is going to well, I shouldn't say no one but I can't see a lot of people spending $90,000 with a six or seven percent interest rate. I sure as he** won't do it

Every time Farley speaks, I'm left scratching my head. This link is behind a paywall, but you get the gist of it from the headline.

https://fortune.com/2023/05/04/ford-ceo-jim-farley-upskill-workers-ev-t3-production/

 

[JJSnell]

Every time Farley speaks, I'm left scratching my head. This link is behind a paywall, but you get the gist of it from the headline.

https://fortune.com/2023/05/04/ford-ceo-jim-farley-upskill-workers-ev-t3-production/

I was able ot read the article...
Nothing like instilling investor confidence in your "F" stock as to say... "I dont think I can get everyone trained up and upskilled".........

 

[HammaMan]

Every time Farley speaks, I'm left scratching my head. This link is behind a paywall, but you get the gist of it from the headline.

https://fortune.com/2023/05/04/ford-ceo-jim-farley-upskill-workers-ev-t3-production/

Anytime you can't see something... well
https://web.archive.org/web/2023050...-jim-farley-upskill-workers-ev-t3-production/

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