Need help deciding!! FX4 with the 3.5 Ecoboost or the 5.0 Coyote

[Kanuck]

I have had a 2011 3.5 EB with 245,000km and in my 2021 also 3.5 EB. No problems what so ever. Just do the oil changes ever 8,000km or 5,000 miles along with regular maintenance. Very happy with these motors.

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[BMCGC]

If you want a SUV with a truck bed to haul the family around, buy a nice truck off the lot equipped the way you want it and be happy.

there are still lots of 23's sitting on dealer lots available for some amazing deals.

If you need to do truck stuff, get 3.73 gears. 3.5 or 5.0 is a wash, either engine will do what you want it to. I wanted the PB for the 7.2kw gen.

I chuckle when people post about performance........like this brick is a sports car.

If you want to go fast, be a man, spend $7500 on a used Busa and rip some sub-10 quarters.

 

[slow3v]

You’ll get various answers, but the overall key is either one is a great choice. Ecoboost is faster, tows easier, and sounds worse. The coyote runs cooler, sounds better, and is quite a bit slower.

If it’s a family hauler, drive them both and see which you like better. They’ll both be giant rocket ships compared to a Tacoma

FYI for anyone talking "speed," I raced (private course of course, ha) over the course of 45 minutes - a good friend with a very similarly specced truck.

Both 2023 F150 XLT 302A, both had 3.73 rear end ratios, both 4x4, both SCREW 5.5ft - as evenly matched as you could wish. He had 5.0, I had POWERBOOST, which is even "faster" than the EcoBoost 3.5 by itself.

Results after 7 races, same drive modes? From a "dig" or dead stop, 2WD or 4X4 HI launch irrelevant, the PowerBoost would take the jump out of the hole by ~1.5 trucks and hold it until limiter of 102MPH.

This was repeated and provided consistent results. If we both hit it on "3" at 60MPH? The PowerBoost would jump MAYBE 1/2 a truck - we'd be neck and neck, and we'd be dead even til 102. If we both started in manual mode with the rev's up already, say 3rd Gear at 55, the PowerBoost would have NO jump and we'd be door and door to limiter, with the 5.0 EVER SO slightly creeping forward.

The 5.0 needs revs, it breathes well and is designed to. If both trucks were "speed limiter removed," the 5.0 would have walked me past 110mph.

I have ONLY had EcoBoost trucks, but I'm trying to prevent misinformation here.

 

[Dakar09]

I think a lot of the "sluggishness" claims of the 5.0 come from the throttle pedal mapping. They dial it back with this drive-by-wire system, and it just doesn't respond the way it should. However, a Banks Pedal Monster can solve that issue lickity split

 

[Mitchie602]

I just traded my 2022 Tacoma for a 2024 Lariat FX4 with the 5.0. I absolutely love it. I’m a sucker for a good engine sound and chose the V8, but never cared that it was slower because it’s going to get a super charger. I’ve only had it for a week, it can already tell you that if it’s going to be a family hauler and road truck, skip the FX4 package.

 

[bdginmo]

I do like the 5.0 a lot but definitely scared of the oil pump belt. Why did they even go to the belt in the first place if what they had before was working good?

I don't think the oil pump belt is enough justification for not choosing the 5.0L Coyote. So far there has been little reason to suspect it will be problematic.

 

[Polo08816]

I don't think the oil pump belt is enough justification for not choosing the 5.0L Coyote. So far there has been little reason to suspect it will be problematic.

GM also uses an oil pump belt in their baby Duramax engines (LM2/LZ0). So far, I don't think there's been any failure caused by the oil pump belt and the service interval for those belts are 150k-200k miles.

I don't think it's an issue.

 

[Deleted member 11970]

GM also uses an oil pump belt in their baby Duramax engines (LM2/LZ0). So far, I don't think there's been any failure caused by the oil pump belt and the service interval for those belts are 150k-200k miles.

I don't think it's an issue.

Is there a service interval for the 5.0 belt?

 

[Dakar09]

I believe they sorted out that wet belt issues on this latest generation of the Coyote anyway.

 

[BMCGC]

FYI for anyone talking "speed," I raced (private course of course, ha) over the course of 45 minutes - a good friend with a very similarly specced truck.

Both 2023 F150 XLT 302A, both had 3.73 rear end ratios, both 4x4, both SCREW 5.5ft - as evenly matched as you could wish. He had 5.0, I had POWERBOOST, which is even "faster" than the EcoBoost 3.5 by itself.

Results after 7 races, same drive modes? From a "dig" or dead stop, 2WD or 4X4 HI launch irrelevant, the PowerBoost would take the jump out of the hole by ~1.5 trucks and hold it until limiter of 102MPH.

This was repeated and provided consistent results. If we both hit it on "3" at 60MPH? The PowerBoost would jump MAYBE 1/2 a truck - we'd be neck and neck, and we'd be dead even til 102. If we both started in manual mode with the rev's up already, say 3rd Gear at 55, the PowerBoost would have NO jump and we'd be door and door to limiter, with the 5.0 EVER SO slightly creeping forward.

The 5.0 needs revs, it breathes well and is designed to. If both trucks were "speed limiter removed," the 5.0 would have walked me past 110mph.

I have ONLY had EcoBoost trucks, but I'm trying to prevent misinformation here.

That extra "jump" is certainly going to come in handy.........never. Well maybe if you are on one of those running from the cops videos I enjoy on YT.

 

[dochawk]

Well maybe if you are on one of those running from the cops videos I enjoy on YT.

"Hah! I'm a length and a half ahead, *that* will show them coppers!"

Hawkins First Law: Criminals are stupid. If they had what we think of as "average intelligence", we'd be in big trouble.

(expounded from my observations practicing criminal law decades ago)

 

[Mtnman1]

You’ll get various answers, but the overall key is either one is a great choice. Ecoboost is faster, tows easier, and sounds worse. The coyote runs cooler, sounds better, and is quite a bit slower.

If it’s a family hauler, drive them both and see which you like better. They’ll both be giant rocket ships compared to a Tacoma

Quit a bit slower? That is an exaggeration.

No turbos for reliabilty in the long run. And if 400+hp and tq is not enough....dont know what to tell you.

There are zero concerns with the current coyote.

 

[Deleted member 11970]

Quit a bit slower? That is an exaggeration.

No turbos for reliabilty in the long run. And if 400+hp and tq is not enough....dont know what to tell you.

There are zero concerns with the current coyote.

I feel like from what I’ve read, the 3.5 is equally reliable as the 5.0 now. The 3.5 has turbos and the 2021+ 5.0’s have an oil pump belt and cylinder deactivation. On paper they both have the same amount of horsepower but the 3.5 has 90 lb-ft of torque more. The 5.0 has been reliable in the past for the most part but I don’t feel like this 2021+ 5.0 has been REALLY tested long term with the oil pump belt and cylinder deactivation to tell how it will hold up. The 3.5 from what I’ve read will last a long time even past 200k if you’re on top of the at least 5k interval oil changes.

 

[Scoobtay]

Maybe it is the throttle mapping difference that really makes the Ecoboost “feel faster” but at the end of the day, isn’t that all that actually matters to both? Paper 0-60 times matter less than a butt dyno, and in daily driving, the Ecoboost is faster. Hell, in practice, PB’s are usually faster than raptors.

 

[Polo08816]

I feel like from what I’ve read, the 3.5 is equally reliable as the 5.0 now. The 3.5 has turbos and the 2021+ 5.0’s have an oil pump belt and cylinder deactivation. On paper they both have the same amount of horsepower but the 3.5 has 90 lb-ft of torque more. The 5.0 has been reliable in the past for the most part but I don’t feel like this 2021+ 5.0 has been REALLY tested long term with the oil pump belt and cylinder deactivation to tell how it will hold up. The 3.5 from what I’ve read will last a long time even past 200k if you’re on top of the at least 5k interval oil changes.

So perhaps it's debatable on how reliable the 3.5EB and 5.0 Coyote long blocks are, but no one can dispute it'll be easier to replace any other accessory in the engine bay of a 5.0 Coyote. Turbos introduce more complexity from oil cooling to engine coolant plumbing in the engine bay.

Even if the 3.5EB has more torque, both have enough power to do whatever needs to be done on a 1/2 ton chassis.

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