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My youngest son has been a County Sherrif Deputy for ~8 years.

I've seen him unarmed when off duty. But I'm pretty sure he is not very far from getting armed within a few seconds?
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Prepare to lose your collective shit.

I'm not armed off duty. My gun gets locked up at work when I'm off, and that's normal across the country.
Geez. Everyone around here is carrying. Walmart doesn't even throw a fit with open carry. I prefer concealed. I don't even have open carry holsters sans a leg one. I won't slip my shirt behind it unless some shady characters are where I need to be and that's to simplify my access.

All of me LEO buddies take their weapons home. Never heard of leaving weapons locked up at work. Crazy.
 

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well as a TEXAN
you can bet i am with the other 90% of Texans and armed is a yes everywhere but the reservation at the VA, although they dont check.

and yes there are at least 100 ways to stop the truck from being able to be driven off,
towed off is a whole nuther nut

disabling your vehicle, comes down to speed at which you as the owner desire to start up and go
and convenience of the said disabling set up you choose

dead fuses work well, but require hood to be opened, and if your being watched, ....well they know to look there first.

hidden switches in cabin are great. finding a good spot that easy for you but not the thief?

i have put hidden switches in many of our vehicles.
never took them out of the ones we sold and never told anyone where they were.

the brute force obd attack takes time, and it takes 1 -2 minutes if everything is kosher to program fob
but usually longer,
ford should put in a timer of sorts that prevent fob programing for 20 minutes once the truck is in the ready to program mode, it should have a count down...and that count down should require said programmer to press a knob once every minute until count down is complete or it starts over.
press it early or late it starts over.. make that part of ecm code so its almost impossible to override..
like a train operator button, ooops time out we stop ... ??????

i figure if you can keep them at bay for 3 to 5 minutes it gives you time to dial 911 and decide your next move
i wont loose my life for the truck.

carjacking is another bad bad issue,
do you keep your fob in pocket all the time so if you get drugggg out you can beep the remote and shut off the truck when they are still in range? or use ford pass to try to disable it?
 

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Not sure how the fob thing works. My truck already has all four of the programmed fob slots filled.
 

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Yeah, not to get too far off topic (this being an F150 forum and all), but off duty carry isn't a thing up here at all. I finish my shift, I lock up my gun, and I go home. If I want to store my gun elsewhere, I have to have a reason. Either I'm in training, or on call. I need to have an authorization to take the gun home signed by a supervisor, and it's transported in a lockbox. Not on my hip.

I had this lovely Sig P229 issued to me years ago. It was one of the first ones to come out of the Exeter factory and apart from being butchered to be double action only with a 13 pound trigger pull, it was mint with the wear you only get from decades of holstering. I wasn't allowed to buy it or have it decommissioned when we switched to our new gun - no public sale either, so it went into a crusher and got sold as scrap metal.

I always wonder if the thought of "an armed society is a polite society" holds true. But I don't have the same clientele y'all do down south. My wife jokes that if we ever move to Texas or Florida first thing she's going to do is buy all the guns she's not allowed to have up here.

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Back on topic, this is the company that insurance companies have been pushing, offering to pay for the install under threat of hiking rates if refused:

https://www.tagtracking.ca/home

And this is their recoveries page:

https://www.tagtracking.ca/recoveries
https://www.facebook.com/tagtracking

You'll note the distinct lack of F150s.
 

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I always wonder if the thought of "an armed society is a polite society" holds true. But I don't have the same clientele y'all do down south. My wife jokes that if we ever move to Texas or Florida first thing she's going to do is buy all the guns she's not allowed to have up here.
ALL the guns you say? This is a post ban meaning you need FFL and SOT to buy it, the pre-bans go for $250k last I saw (any non-felon can buy them). She'll eat $500 of ammo in 5 seconds on high speed (selectable rate of fire).
Ford F-150 Motion key fobs - do you have one? 1706247187413
 

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She'll eat $500 of ammo in 5 seconds on high speed (selectable rate of fire).
True, but it would be a FUN 5 seconds !!!!!!
 

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True, but it would be a FUN 5 seconds !!!!!!
F'n right it would be.

Curious what the 'rental' charge is for this thing when ammo is $200/second. It's got 4 of them set at 3k RPM each. Easily one of the most American 'guns' I've seen.

 

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Keep in mind that's not universal across all makes. It's not uncommon for thieves to be arrested with key programmers and a plethora of blank keys awaiting programming.

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As well, if they're not programming new keys, they may be attacking the CANBUS system. See the article below:

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/04/18...NPZg_LhQWVP-oD4l8htpc7YFnZBXSF3wSiXb7IxlXeSe8

And if you want a video of the CANBUS attack:



You build a better car, the universe builds a better thief. Pursuing stolen vehicles up here is generally prohibited and if caught the justice system is fairly lenient. It's a low risk / high reward venture. With increased security measures, you're now seeing thieves getting bolder and committing break and enters while owners are at home sleeping to get at keys, or straight up carjacking owners of valuable vehicles.



You are correct that the Fords without a motion sensitive fob are still susceptible to relay attacks. In Canada, you can use Carfax to find the VIN associated with the plate as well. The obscured VIN is more for keeping the dumb ones / ones looking for a quick score away. You'll find quite a few publicly available videos of thieves walking up to a car, taking a photo of the VIN, then returning some time later that day to steal the vehicle. Anything little bit helps in my view.

The OBD lock is a two piece lock with recessed security screws keyed to that particular lock holding it all together. You have to destroy the OBD port to get if off.

Here's a Reddit post from an F150 owner whose vehicle was broken into but the thieves abandoned it after failing to get the lock off.



What insurance companies are mandating for some frequently stolen models is the installation of the Tag tracking system. It's a series of RFID tracking fobs epoxied to the vehicle in several hidden locations. Think Lojack on steroids. It's something on my list to research.

I guess the point to all the steps I've taken is to make my truck enough of a pain in the ass to take that the Ram 1500 next door and the Lariat down the street start looking like a better idea. But if they take it, they take it. Can always get a new truck. Can't get a new life.
I was looking into a stolen car tracking system before buying my new F-150.. I live in Canada. I compared the TAG system to the Domino system. In my research I looked into TAG's and Domino's technologies. It seems that TAG uses RFID. So it looks like to track a TAG protected car a TAG employee has to drive on roads with a RFID scanner to locate the car. To mee, this seems to be arbitrary. The tracking vehicule must me into RFID reading range to pin point the stolen car. In my research, I found out the Domino uses Cell phone triangulation to pin point the stolen car. To mee, this seems to be a better method of tracking. With TAG, what happens if there is not tracking vehicule in the area where the car was stolen???

If I am off with my research, please correct me.
 

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do you keep your fob in pocket all the time so if you get drugggg out you can beep the remote and shut off the truck when they are still in range? or use ford pass to try to disable it?
I didn't know you could kill the truck with either. What happens if you do that while they're driving away? Coast to a stop, or slam the trans into Park and lock the steering.

As for tracking, Ford Pass knows where the truck is at all times. Doesn't it?
 

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I believe you can shut the truck off while driving but you have to hold the button of a length of time. (AutoVog did it on a video). It just shut the truck off. If I remember, he put it into neutral after the truck shut down. The thrives can either break the antenna off the roof or rip the wires off the TCU and the truck can't send location data to Fotd Pass.
 

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I didn't know you could kill the truck with either. What happens if you do that while they're driving away? Coast to a stop, or slam the trans into Park and lock the steering.

As for tracking, Ford Pass knows where the truck is at all times. Doesn't it?
I mean right away..as your laying on ground bleeding. Hold the fob and kill the truck
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