Livernois tuner for Powerboost?

[nomarhits400]

This implies that Livernoise found a way to lower the allowable SOC for the Hybrid battery below ~42%, or raise it above ~63%, before ICE is triggered to come on/off.

That would be the only way a "tune" could extend EV runtime. Sure would love to find out if that's true. Expanding the range of usable SOC could open up all kinds of possibilities. And if they have actually "cracked" that code, then I would assume they could enable EV cruising in Sport Mode?

Please let that be true.

Isn’t it possible that they were just able to massage throttle response to keep it in electric longer but still using the same SOC constraints?

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[Snakebitten]

Isn’t it possible that they were just able to massage throttle response to keep it in electric longer but still using the same SOC constraints?

Doubtful.
I say that because the Powerboost is working with a very tiny, by EV or Hybrid standards, HV battery.

1.5KWH

And then on top of that Ford has that super conservative range of use applied to it.
It's really rather remarkable that the Powerboost can leverage that small bucket of ions for the results it can get at 50mph and under.

No matter what Livernoise does with the throttle tip-in, it still takes the same number of KWs to move the truck at pace/distance in EV mode. You can't cheat physics.

But if they can stretch the SOC use-range of 42-63 to even 40-65, it would be noticeable. And man if they could open it up to 30-70?
That's 40% available VS 21%.
Basically double!

Somebody should load OBDLink on their phone and monitor the HV SOC pid.

Let us no if the ICE is off below 42%
Or if ICE can charge it above 63% before it turns off?

 

[nomarhits400]

Doubtful.
I say that because the Powerboost is working with a very tiny, by EV or Hybrid standards, HV battery.

1.5KWH

And then on top of that Ford has that super conservative range of use applied to it.
It's really rather remarkable that the Powerboost can leverage that small bucket of ions for the results it can get at 50mph and under.

No matter what Livernoise does with the throttle tip-in, it still takes the same number of KWs to move the truck at pace/distance in EV mode. You can't cheat physics.

But if they can stretch the SOC use-range of 42-63 to even 40-65, it would be noticeable. And man if they could open it up to 30-70?
That's 40% available VS 21%.
Basically double!

Somebody should load OBDLink on their phone and monitor the HV SOC pid.

Let us no if the ICE is off below 42%
Or if ICE can charge it above 63% before it turns off?

I understand (or maybe I don’t); but if the throttle travel for tip in is 40 mm instead of 20 mm- it’s going to be easier to keep from “accidentally” activating ICE in conditions that would otherwise allow the truck to stay in electric. This would obviously have limited potential, but I can control this dynamic in ECO mode because of the less sensitive throttle much easier than in even NORMAL mode as is.

So, I guess I’m suggesting maybe this is just an extended version of ECO mode…. Unless it’s not and it IS able to extend the operational range.

I’m gonna be mad if that’s the case as I have a’23 PB and can’t get any of these tunes!

 

[Snakebitten]

You could be right. And in fact, it is far more likely to be the reason some experience lengthened EV, although available KWH hasn't increased.

2023. It's a matter of time.

 

[HammaMan]

Everything I’ve read from anyone who actually has the e-boost tune seems to really like it. Where are you seeing reports that it’s a beta?

There's 2 different reports on the forum of no difference and another whose shifting isn't right. That's not what concerns me however, it's the ignoring requests for details. There's no magic energy pot to pull from here. My concern is that it's done in a manner that voids the HVB's warranty vs a little clever throttle expo and acceleration in ICE off.

 

[TheGoatman]

Again very subtle difference other than being able to stay in electric mode easier. Tmy mpg is up 1 right off the bat. Will need more mile to know for sure

 

[notabot]

There's 2 different reports on the forum of no difference and another whose shifting isn't right. That's not what concerns me however, it's the ignoring requests for details. There's no magic energy pot to pull from here. My concern is that it's done in a manner that voids the HVB's warranty vs a little clever throttle expo and acceleration in ICE off.

Good points and I think many of us really don't want to jack with the 10yr warranty on the battery...

 

[Snakebitten]

Actually I would be 100% OK with burning that HV battery warranty for the ability to expand the usable range.
First of all, I don't think 30-70 would seriously degrade it. (I could be wrong) But it would be awesome to leverage.

Second, this isn't the typical $10,000-20,000 Hybrid battery.
It's ~$2000 retail. Not much more than a set of KO2's ?

Still, I think it's moot. I don't believe there's a tune from anyone anywhere that has access to the Hybrid battery management parameters.

 

[TheGoatman]

I thought Livernois said in the Powerboost YouTube video that they did have access to some of those parameters

 

[HammaMan]

Actually I would be 100% OK with burning that HV battery warranty for the ability to expand the usable range.
First of all, I don't think 30-70 would seriously degrade it. (I could be wrong) But it would be awesome to leverage.

Second, this isn't the typical $10,000-20,000 Hybrid battery.
It's ~$2000 retail. Not much more than a set of KO2's ?

Still, I think it's moot. I don't believe there's a tune from anyone anywhere that has access to the Hybrid battery management parameters.

Not so much of the price, it's getting it out too. Pull that up in the manual

 

[Snakebitten]

Not so much of the price, it's getting it out too. Pull that up in the manual

Once every how many years? ?
I bet the electronics in that battery housing are more likely to be the reason for necessary access, than the lifespan of the cells themselves.

But that's just a guess since we don't have any reportings of necessary battery replacements yet?

Besides, that little battery could lose total capacity and we might not ever even feel it. We'd just see SOC being between 42-63% of whatever the actual capacity is. Right?

 

[Pointman]

I look forward to seeing time slips or dyno slips before and after installing the livernois tuner. I've been interested in getting the tuner for a while but wanted to hear more real world results first. Hammaman is right on the E-boost feature. It seems interesting but livernois won't explain how or what it actually does on their website so that seems strange.

 

[HammaMan]

Once every how many years? ?
I bet the electronics in that battery housing are more likely to be the reason for necessary access, than the lifespan of the cells themselves.

But that's just a guess since we don't have any reportings of necessary battery replacements yet?

Besides, that little battery could lose total capacity and we might not ever even feel it. We'd just see SOC being between 42-63% of whatever the actual capacity is. Right?

Having watched ford's item pricing, let me just run a little likely scenario here. In a few years when the batteries begin to age and replacements are needed, suddenly they become a little harder to obtain. Warranty trucks are down for months, the price has now doubled or tripled and someone that's prematurely worn out their batt is denied warranty. Sure there's salvaged vehicle pulls but how long does that $2k used batt last you? If supply and demand skew, even readily available used batts become $4k because people want their trucks back in operation.

The PB's battery capabilities are no joke, we're talking massive amounts of power going into and out of these things. The PB's battery usage is 4-6x higher amperage than that of EVs and it does it dozens of times. I saw a stat somewhere that 1 in 10 F150s are hybrid. That's a helluva cluster brewing. This is 22c charging / discharging and that current flow is no joke. The cells used in the mach-e for instance are rated at 5c for 10 seconds.

What I'd like to see is a company offering a 2x capacity replacement, that halves the C requirements while a little BECM trickery can enable even deeper states of charging / discharging. Unfortunately that 'need' won't begin to become financially viable until the need for the batts comes around. Maybe with some clever marketing we could see folks in the 50k+ mile range willing to give it a go if it provides some tangible results, but we're still 2-4 years away from such a venture becoming profitable. There's rebuilt kits for prius on the market, but those batts don't have the same requirements.

 

[TheGoatman]

Took a trip today this was one way so far. Very very hilly 65-72mph
87 octane

2” level on oe height all terrain cload tires

 

[Eskram]

I've only put about 45-50 miles on since the update, but I've noticed MPG is up a little bit on common short trips I m

I also saw it switch to EV once at around 65mph, which I don't believe I've ever seen it do before.

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