Is the Hybrid worth the upgrade?

[Snakebitten]

There is no difference in the CFD clutch drum between any variants. It even is known to shift on the 10R140. I wouldn’t worry, as snakebitren said many don’t have problems and forums can be the vocal minority. Perhaps my wording was poor. Every 10R80 will not fail but I am not liking how many I am seeing from the 2018-2020 era that are racking up miles. I was reading some on this issue this morning and it got me a little frustrated at Ford. Buy an ESP if you are worried but even a new assembly is not cost prohibitive as you’d think. I just figure I’ll have to replace it down the road.

What will also help is change the fluid at 50k, the ULV I have seen online is jet black by 50-60k mikes. By 100k that fluid is totally smoked and most people don’t change it.

I don't know what you had for dinner, but maybe you were just hangry earlier? ?

I completely agree with your revision.

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[Jerome10]

I'll admit I haven't read all 8 pages....

My feeling is that if I did NOT need the 7.2kW Pro Power OnBoard for work purposes, I'd have gone gas-only.

Hybrid is more expensive, more complicated, and I suspect more prone to an expensive failure (though Ford and Toyota hybrids so far I think have been pretty reliable otherwise). Any issue like that will eat up your fuel savings money.

I also suspect that if you drive the 2.7T like you would a powerboost maximizing electric mode, I doubt the MPG would be much less than the powerboost. Of course you can't tow as much with the 2.7T but if you don't need the towing then it doens't matter.

Just my $0.02.

 

[EricR]

FWIW, from Transmission Digest:

The Ford 10R80 family of transmissions has become known for the CDF clutch cylinder sleeve moving out of position. An updated drum has been made available by Ford with a “no-walk” backing lip to prevent repeat failure.​

 

[Samson16]

FWIW, from Transmission Digest:

The Ford 10R80 family of transmissions has become known for the CDF clutch cylinder sleeve moving out of position. An updated drum has been made available by Ford with a “no-walk” backing lip to prevent repeat failure.​

And installed as OEM for ‘21 and newer PBs? ?

 

[Snakebitten]

Do we know if/when the revised drum went into production?

Regardless, I'm not going to fret. The What-if's are here only to steal your joy.

 

[nomarhits400]

FWIW, from Transmission Digest:

The Ford 10R80 family of transmissions has become known for the CDF clutch cylinder sleeve moving out of position. An updated drum has been made available by Ford with a “no-walk” backing lip to prevent repeat failure.​

REPEAT failure? Is this just a replacement part for all our current defective CDF clutch cylinder sleeves?

The timing of this article (7/23) makes me think that might be the case. Interesting read:

https://www.transmissiondigest.com/shift-pointers-getting-10r80-shaft/#:~:text=An updated drum has been,that may get past you.

 

[amschind]

If the 10R80s on the PBs are failing because of the added torque, then we have a positive and negative control in the Aviator. The negative control is of course the 3.0L EB/10R80 while the positive control would be the hybrid Aviator, which has a roughly 2x more powerful electric motor vs the PB in an otherwise identical powertrain (to the non-hybrid Aviator).

Given those data points, we should see far fewer transmission failures in the hybrid Aviator vs the non-hybrid Aviator if the electric motor is the issue.

 

[Samson16]

I'll admit I haven't read all 8 pages....

My feeling is that if I did NOT need the 7.2kW Pro Power OnBoard for work purposes, I'd have gone gas-only.

Hybrid is more expensive, more complicated, and I suspect more prone to an expensive failure (though Ford and Toyota hybrids so far I think have been pretty reliable otherwise). Any issue like that will eat up your fuel savings money.

I also suspect that if you drive the 2.7T like you would a powerboost maximizing electric mode, I doubt the MPG would be much less than the powerboost. Of course you can't tow as much with the 2.7T but if you don't need the towing then it doens't matter.

Just my $0.02.

I think your argument misses the personal and aspirational reasons we purchase. The Powerboost is the finest half ton truck made. "If I didn't need the hair raising exhilaration I would have gone with the Camaro instead of the Corvette Z06." See what I mean?

I could have purchased a 2.7 XL, but I wanted more. It's the way.

 

[Snakebitten]

Rumors start so easily on a forum.

 

[amschind]

There is no difference in the CFD clutch drum between any variants. It even is known to shift on the 10R140. I wouldn’t worry, as snakebitren said many don’t have problems and forums can be the vocal minority. Perhaps my wording was poor. Every 10R80 will not fail but I am not liking how many I am seeing from the 2018-2020 era that are racking up miles. I was reading some on this issue this morning and it got me a little frustrated at Ford. Buy an ESP if you are worried but even a new assembly is not cost prohibitive as you’d think. I just figure I’ll have to replace it down the road.

What will also help is change the fluid at 50k, the ULV I have seen online is jet black by 50-60k mikes. By 100k that fluid is totally smoked and most people don’t change it.

I plan on keeping my truck for a long time, so an engine and transmission rebuild aren't out of the question 10-15 years in. The performance community really likes the 10R80, and when the day comes that it needs a rebuilt I see no reason not to double the cost for a better unit.

 

[Snakebitten]

I think your argument misses the personal and aspirational reasons we purchase. The Powerboost is the finest half ton truck made. "If I didn't need the hair raising exhilaration I would have gone with the Camaro instead of the Corvette Z06." See what I mean?

I could have purchased a 2.7 XL, but I wanted more. It's the way.

I dig how much you dig your Powerboost.
Confirms I'm not delusional. ?

 

[JExpedition07]

The Aviator hybrid was just discontinued a few weeks ago for 2024 and beyond. I don’t think it has to do with the transmission but I don’t really follow the Explorer/Aviator. I believe those use the lighter 10R60.

 

[Snakebitten]

Still being used in the Police Package, while being dropped for the consumer 2024 Explorer, Aviator.

There is a re-design coming for 2025. Combined with Ford's recent rambling regarding expanding Hybrid offerings, are we looking at a new Hybrid drivetrain to replace the 3.0?

I'd be surprised with 630Ftlbs that Ford isn't using the 10r80

 

[TheGoatman]

The Escalade with the lt4 and the raptor r seem to survive just fine

 

[JExpedition07]

The Escalade with the lt4 and the raptor r seem to survive just fine

Raptor R is a totally modified transfer case and transmission. In testing the EcoBoost Hi-Lock case blew apart several times under the stress of the 5.2 Predator. Several clutches etc had to be changed. The engineers have some videos on the testing and development of the R.

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